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Ex-Marine's Fight to Fly the American Flag Becomes National Issue
NewsMax.com ^ | 9/16/03 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 09/16/2003 4:21:20 AM PDT by kattracks

PALM BEACH COUNTY, Fla. – Embattled ex-Marine George Andres, threatened with the loss of his home because of his refusal to stop flying the American flag, can breathe easier, thanks to Sean Hannity.

His homeowners association is threatening to foreclose on his house to collect legal expenses and fines it says he owes because of his defiance of association’s orders to remove his flagpole.

Hannity assured Andres on Friday night’s "Hannity & Colmes" show that he would raise the $25,000 Andres needs to pay the claim and promised to contribute the first $5,000 out of his own pocket. Moreover, he promised to raise more money to buy and install a second flagpole on the property.

Andres has attracted nationwide attention and the praise of scores of his fellow Americans for his courage in refusing to back down on his determination to proudly display Old Glory 24 hours a day. Gov. Jeb Bush visited Andres' Jupiter home last year on Flag Day and later signed a law that allows Florida residents to fly an American flag "in a respectful manner" regardless of busybodies' rules.

Bush has sent state Attorney General Charlie Crist to assist Adres by arguing that the ex-Marine’s home is constitutionally protected under the state's homestead law from foreclosure by a homeowners association.

Circuit Judge Edward Fine, who had earlier approved a foreclosure, agreed in May to reconsider his order. Two weeks ago, however, Fine rejected Crist’s homestead argument and found the association had a right to file a lien.

A foreclosure sale is scheduled for Oct. 9, but Andres' attorney has filed an appeal. Andres told NewsMax.com that Crist was also appealing. Under Florida's homestead law, a homeowner’s residence cannot be taken by foreclosure except to collect back taxes or mortgages, or bills owed contractors for work on the home.

What Happened

In an interview with NewsMax, Andres explained: "I went before the board of the homeowners association four years ago and asked for permission to put the American flag on a pole, and the board gave me permission because the state of Florida had a law that was written in 1995 that said homeowners associations are prohibited from banning the flying of the American flag regardless of any rules and regulations or bylaws except for size, safety and location which must be adopted into the bylaws.

"I put the flagpole up, and seven months later a new board came in and ruled that I had violated the homeowners statutes on the flag, and I said, ‘What homeowners statute?’ They said the one that says that you have to fly the flag from your building. I asked them, ‘Where does it say that?’

"The fact is there is nothing in the homeowners documents that say where or when and state law prohibits them from saying any such thing.

"They took me into court, and they got a judge who said that I was guilty of violating the homeowners documents for flying the American flag on a flagpole. He said that it made no difference what the state law said, the homeowners documents counted. But they never found the place in the documents where it said where to put the flag."

Andres said he appealed, but the appeals court affirmed the first judge’s ruling, and five or six months later "they took us into foreclosure, and because of the homestead law, which is very clear that the only thing they can foreclose on is for taxes, mortgages or contractors' liens. The homeowners association was, however, using legal fees and fines, which does not come under the provisions of the law.

"At that point the attorney general stepped in to defend the homestead law, which is 130 years old. The judge had taken away the foreclosure order at that time, so we had another hearing before the judge five weeks ago. We explained that we were homesteaded in 1989 and all the time that this was going on. The judge said it wasn’t clear that we were homesteaded.

"The attorney general told me yesterday that the judge was in error because first of all he said that there was no such thing as Title 36 US 10. I have now sent the judge a copy of that law."

Andres cited a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court that says anything you do on your private property – signs, flags, and anything like that - is an expression of your feelings and is covered under the First Amendment of the Constitution. The judge doesn’t want to hear that either.

"Right now the attorney general has stepped in because they want to protect the homestead law and the state’s statutes on flying the flag. So right now my attorney Barry Silver and Attorney General Charlie Crist are readying an appeal."

The homeowners association refused to talk to NewsMax.

No matter what the outcome of the appeal, this courageous ex-Marine can be sure he won’t lose his home for flying the American flag, thanks to Sean Hannity. And the homeowners association can look foreward to continuing to learn what many of America’s enemies learned the hard way: what it’s like to go head to head with a U.S. Marine.

Semper Fi, George.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: hoa; oldglory; purge; seanhannity
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To: Wonder Warthog
Judges and courts come to lots of conclusions that aren't supported in contracts.

That's usually how the losing party in a contract dispute rationalzies the adverse decision. Judges are far from perfect, but when every judge who has heard the case rules against Andres, without even a dissenting opinion, I have to think that Andres' public relation skills are better than the legal merits of his case. I remember an old saying from Law school: Argue the law, and if you can't win on the law, then argue the facts, and if both the law and the facts are against you, then jump up and down and scream about the societal implications of the situation. Seems to me that Andres has a loser on the law and the facts.

41 posted on 09/16/2003 8:01:44 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Good Morning America appearance 
 
 
 
                                                              
 
 
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42 posted on 09/16/2003 8:03:38 AM PDT by wolficatZ (______\0/_____/\______)
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To: Labyrinthos
I remember an old saying from Law school: Argue the law, and if you can't win on the law, then argue the facts, and if both the law and the facts are against you, then jump up and down and scream about the societal implications of the situation.

Ok, I get it....similar to the ACLU in California.

43 posted on 09/16/2003 8:08:07 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130
BINGO.
44 posted on 09/16/2003 8:11:02 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Funny how it worked for them and not poor George though. You don't suppose it had anything to do with the disposition of the judges/courts? Nah....
45 posted on 09/16/2003 8:13:05 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130
Funny how it worked for them and not poor George though. You don't suppose it had anything to do with the disposition of the judges/courts? Nah....

Given the 9th Circuit's losing track record before the SCOTUS, I hesitate to use the words "judge" and "9th Circuit" in the same sentence.

46 posted on 09/16/2003 8:23:59 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Ramcat
To anyone living in a Deed Restricted community (i.e., Homeowners' Association), the best advise is to "read, read, read". Read the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions cover to cover. Pay particular attention to what it says you can and can't do and what you must request permission to do. The flip side to this is, technically, anything not covered is permitted. As far as I can tell, State law in Florida does trump Association DCRs because they have to have a charter to even exist. Florida's statutes regarding homeowners associations were passed specifically to standardize and to eliminate this sort of "change-the-rules-at-whim" mentality.

Never take at face value anything your board says is covered in the DCRs. Demand a cite and verify it yourself. More often than not, particularly in Florida where people move about from one HOA to another, they may be transposing rules from one community to yours. Most important, DCRs must contain provisions for modifying the document. Most HOA changes require a minimum 2/3rds vote of ALL voting members - generally every home (not 2/3rds of those bothering to vote). Can't speak for Townhomes/Condos but they must have similar rules. That requires a lot of dedicated work to get anything passed. If it is worth it, then let those supporting it explain it to every homeowner. It's not impossible though so if you are ademantly opposed to the proposal, you need to do the same leg work. Except you only need 1/3rd plus one.
47 posted on 09/16/2003 8:59:21 AM PDT by Tucson
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To: kattracks
For those wishing to mail messages of support for the Marine flying our colors, the information has been posted atGunny G's Old Salt Marines Tavern
48 posted on 09/16/2003 9:46:23 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: kattracks
bttt
49 posted on 09/16/2003 10:42:46 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: kattracks
I don't know what the Homeowner's Association's beef is. Surely they can find a spot to fly the Iraqi flag or the Red Chinese flag or whichever flag it is they prefer to Old Glory.
50 posted on 09/17/2003 12:38:45 PM PDT by steve-b
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