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First tokers of Health Canada cannabis call it disgusting, want money back
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Posted on 09/15/2003 8:33:33 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

OTTAWA (CP) - Some of the first patients to smoke Health Canada's government-approved marijuana say it's "disgusting" and want their money back.

"It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an AIDS patient in Gibsons, B.C. "It gave me a slight buzziness for about three to five minutes, and that was it. I got no other effect from it."

Barrie Dalley, a 52-year-old Toronto man who uses marijuana to combat the nausea associated with AIDS, said the Health Canada dope actually made him sick to his stomach.

"I threw up," Dalley said Monday. "It made me nauseous because I had to use so much of it. It was so weak in potency that I really threw up."

Both men are returning their 30-gram bags, and Dalley is demanding his money back - $150 plus taxes. Wakeford is returning his unpaid bill for two of the bags with a letter of complaint.

A third AIDS patient says he's also unhappy with the product, which is supposed to contain 10.2 per cent THC, the main active ingredient.

"I'm still smoking it - I would prefer better, but it's all I've got," said Jari Dvorak, 62, in Toronto. "I think Health Canada certainly should do better with the quality."

All three are among 10 patients who have registered with Health Canada to buy dope directly from the government to alleviate their medical symptoms. Another 39 applications are pending.

The department was compelled to begin direct distribution in July, following an Ontario court order this year that said needy patients should not be forced to get their cannabis on the streets or from authorized growers, who themselves obtain seeds or cuttings illegally.

The marijuana is being grown for Health Canada deep underground in a vacant mine section in Flin Flon, Man., by Prairie Plant Systems on a $5.75-million contract. The department originally intended that the product go first to accredited researchers to demonstrate whether or not cannabis is medically effective.

Health Minister Anne McLellan has said she opposes the direct distribution of government cannabis to patients and that the program will end if the department wins its appeal of the Ontario court decision.

The government dope also came under fire Monday from Canadians for Safe Access, a patients' rights group that is pressing for supplies of safe, effective marijuana.

Laboratory tests indicate the Health Canada product has only about three per cent THC - not the 10.2 per cent advertised - and contains contaminants such as lead and arsenic, said spokesman Philippe Lucas of Victoria.

"This particular product wouldn't hold a candle to street level cannabis," he said in an interview.

But Lucas declined to identify the three labs that did the testing, other than to indicate they're in Vancouver, saying he fears the facilities might suffer repercussions from Health Canada because they were not authorized to possess the cannabis.

He also would not say how the group obtained the sample of government dope.

A spokeswoman for Health Canada said the department can't accept laboratory findings from anonymous facilities.

"We question the validity of the test results because Canadians for Safe Access has been unwilling to reveal who did the testing, and when the testing was done, and under what conditions," said Krista Apse.

She said the Flin Flon cannabis had to meet exacting production standards and was thoroughly tested for its quality.

No patients have complained directly to Health Canada so far, Apse said, and the department will not accept returns or provide refunds.

Lucas, who smokes marijuana to cope with his hepatitis C infection, said the lab results also showed that the cannabis provided at a Victoria compassion club for patients registers at more than 12 per cent and is freer from contaminants.

He said the government cannabis was too finely ground up with stems and leaves, calling it "shwag" or "bunk," street terminology for the lowest grade of marijuana.


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The marijuana is being grown for Health Canada deep underground in a vacant mine section in Flin Flon, Man., by Prairie Plant Systems on a $5.75-million contract.

BOB: Like we shoulda stuck with making beer, eh?

DOUG: But not Government beer, you hoser.

BOB: Beauty....eh?

1 posted on 09/15/2003 8:33:34 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Prairie Plant Systems on a $5.75-million contract.

Just image what kind of shop you can set-up with that kinda cash.

2 posted on 09/15/2003 8:35:55 PM PDT by PFKEY
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Methinks some of these people were using dope before they got AIDS.
3 posted on 09/15/2003 8:37:39 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Leroy S. Mort
LOL Governments can't do anything right, not even grow weed ;)
4 posted on 09/15/2003 8:37:39 PM PDT by Libertina ("Leaders" cannot lead me without my consent. I, citizen, have power.)
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To: Libertina
Exactly, it'll be a cold day in hell before any gov't can grow something that looks like this

Just let folks grow their own.

5 posted on 09/15/2003 8:41:57 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Leroy S. Mort
That's interesting - apparently Canada exports the really good s**t, and just gives the stems and seeds to their own people.

Welcome to Socialized medicine ;0)
6 posted on 09/15/2003 8:45:33 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (... you'd look like the Venus de Milo, if I just cut off your arms...)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Hmmm... Pacololo hits a new lowlow...
7 posted on 09/15/2003 8:49:13 PM PDT by mfulstone
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To: Leroy S. Mort


Weed on the street

vs.



Crappy Canadian Government shake

What a difference.
8 posted on 09/15/2003 8:51:20 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: Pro-Bush

9 posted on 09/15/2003 9:25:52 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (No one gets to see the Wizard! Not nobody! Not no how!")
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Just stems and seeds
that you don't need,
Manitoba Gold is...
sh*tty weed.
10 posted on 09/15/2003 9:35:39 PM PDT by AF68
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To: WSGilcrest
Very Cool. Oh, I mean "Stoney" picture.
11 posted on 09/15/2003 9:43:33 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: WSGilcrest
Hey, how'd you do that (or where'd you get that)? That's way cool!
12 posted on 09/16/2003 12:17:22 AM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
"I threw up," Dalley said Monday. "It made me nauseous because I had to use so much of it. It was so weak in potency that I really threw up."


Oregano will do that to you.
13 posted on 09/16/2003 6:48:20 AM PDT by Chewbacca (Stay out of debt. Pay cash. When you run out of cash, stop buying things.)
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To: Libertina
LOL Governments can't do anything right, not even grow weed ;)

So true.

14 posted on 09/16/2003 6:50:11 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Impeach the judges of the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals)
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To: Leroy S. Mort; *Wod_list; jmc813
Laboratory tests indicate the Health Canada product has only about three per cent THC - not the 10.2 per cent advertised - and contains contaminants such as lead and arsenic

Relegalize it!

15 posted on 09/16/2003 7:55:10 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Leroy S. Mort; MrLeRoy
Of course the Gov't grew crappy stuff. It was earmarked for research, and they sure as hell didn't want any results that indicated marijuana was beneficial.
16 posted on 09/16/2003 8:01:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
All that money to produce 3% weed. Only government can waste money so thoroughly.
17 posted on 09/16/2003 8:07:01 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
18 posted on 09/16/2003 8:20:42 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Mr. Mojo
tastey, buds Dude

trying to sound like Jeff Spicoli

nice pic
19 posted on 09/16/2003 9:23:38 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: MrLeRoy
"It gave me a slight buzziness for about three to five minutes, and that was it."

Are they smoking this stuff for the buzz? All along I thought it was for medical use. Hmmmm.

20 posted on 09/16/2003 9:25:57 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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