McClintock is the only tried-and-true friend of taxpayers in this recall race (REPOST)

Tracy Press ^ | September 14, 2003 | Steve Wampler

[FairOpinion]

"Even McClintock's natural constituency, groups such as the influential Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and the conservative Lincoln Club of Orange County, and like-minded congressional conservatives Dana Rohrabacher and Christopher Cox, have thrown their support to Schwarzenegger, saying he has a better chance of winning if Davis is recalled Oct. 7."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982376/posts

AND:

Assemblyman Ray Haynes of Murietta, a conservative stalwart, announced his endorsement of Schwarzenegger and took issue with McClintock's jibe that the actor was an "amateur."

"Government's not rocket science, to be real blunt," Haynes said. "It doesn't take a whole lot of time to figure out what's going on." He called McClintock "the North Star" of conservatives, but said the state senator could not win. "Tom is a friend of mind, but Tom is not a consensus builder," Haynes said.

John Olmstead, the GOP chairman of Madera County, said his first pick was McClintock but that he was thinking of backing Schwarzenegger. "I would sooner have 50% of something than 100% of nothing," Olmstead said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982147/posts

[South40]

Arnold is just like stupid mentor, Pete Wilson. Now answer the question, devotee of the "debate chicken" -- What will you say when Arnold raises taxes and harms the economy? I like to use capitals because the Arnold fans have trouble answering questions and dealing with issues. Keep running, ducking and hiding.

Perhaps you should have someone read and explain my responses to you. I have already answered your question; he's not going to "raise taxes and harm the economy". But I'm sure sure bustamante will as he's already proposed an $8 billion increase. So why are you supporting Tom Mcclintock, the man who is making that possible? Does that $8 billion increase appeal to you?

[RGSpincich]

Some of McClintock’s plans to balance the state’s budget include: using Arizona’s worker’s compensation laws to save $2.5 billion for state and local governments, abolishing duplicative state agencies to save $6 billion, and working to end the $42 billion of excessively priced electricity contracts.

So he just suspends the California Constitution to borrow Arizona's Laws? The Dems just passed a Workman's Comp Bill on Friday. They feel that bill addresses the situation. McClintock will get nothing new will come from this legislature, special session or no special session. They have heard everything he has to say, 20 years worth.

Abolishing agencies will not be done by McClintock, he has proposed that a Commission will decide what is wasteful and what is not. He has no idea what numbers they will come up with. He has also proposed to give control of some state controlled services to the feds, a possible blow to states rights.

He may work to end $42Billion in energy contracts and waste even more money in court. Courts and defendants will site the previous investigation and findings. Not even $4 Billion would be cut even if he was right about the conflict of interest, it was limited to two smaller contracts. The energy would still need to be purchased at a substantial rate.

[sruleoflaw]

Want a gentleman's bet partner?

Why won't your boy sign a no tax hike pledge? Go back and read my article dude. YOU REFUSE TO LEARN FROM HISTORY, DON'T YOU. Pete Wilson played the same game in '90 -- tarred Feinstein as a tax hiker, refused to sign the no tax hike pledge himself, and then gave California a $7.3 billion tax hike. So you have trouble seeing the parallels? Man alive, you all deserve RINOS..

What do you know about California? Apparently very little. It takes a 2/3 vote of the State Legislature for a tax hike -- and SORRY PARTNER, BUT THE DEMS DON'T HAVE THE VOTES. So, Bustamante's tax hike is DOA. Now is there a measure to change that, but I see it dying in furious flames.

[sruleoflaw]

I don't have any more time for RINOs, but I will answer your first one.

McClintock has said he will call a special session of the Legislature to deal with workers comp. If they don't pass the Arizona model, BOOM, to the initiative process we go. Arnold would have a lot of trouble figuring that out.

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[South40]

"Dude"?

Sorry "Dude"...but I don't see the logic in your argument. Your claims that AS will "Raise taxes and ruin the state of the economy" is pure speculation. And it is based on what...because Wilson did it? How can I argue with that? I could suggest that 1) AS is not Pete Wilson, or 2) he's not about to make the same mistakes Wilson made, or 3) your argument is based solely on speculation and a deep-seated dislike for the man because of his liberal social positions. All of which are equally as possible, if not more so, than your speculative beliefs.

[Duramaximus]

"That argument might hold water if it weren't for the fact that he's assisting in the election of a tax and spend liberal named bustamante."

Where is you proof?

Hint: unsubstantiated opinion is not proof, it is..... BS!

Enough with the rhetoric, show us substantiated proof to validate your statement.

[South40]

Huh? You're kidding, right?

The spoiler in this race (that would be Tom Mcclintock, the man who has a snowball's chance of winning this election but refuses to drop out) is assisting the bustamante campaign by taking votes away from the only man who can beat him.

That's far from opinion; it is fact.

[Bob]

Since you did a cut-and-paste from the earlier thread, I'll do the same with a minor modification to my response.

So he just suspends the California Constitution to borrow Arizona's Laws? The Dems just passed a Workman's Comp Bill on Friday. They feel that bill addresses the situation. McClintock will get nothing new will come from this legislature, special session or no special session. They have heard everything he has to say, 20 years worth.

Your 'suspend the constitution' crap is just that -- crap. If you were paying any attention, you'd have seenthat he has a two-step approach to the workman's comp problem. Since you're being either willfully ignorant or totally disingenuous, you pretend you don't know that he has a two-step approach to the workman's comp problem.

His first step is to call the special legislative session with a 30-day deadline to accomplish real reform. Will that work? Probably not. If it doesn't, proceed to Step 2.

His second step is to start the initiative process to get it on the March ballot and let the people themselves vote on it.

[sruleoflaw]

REPOST --- Use this repost.

Bad News for the Arnold gang -- New Fox News poll SHOWS MCCLINTOCK SURGING, ACCORDING TO KSFO TALK SHOW HOST DAVID GOLD, NOW ON IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. Arnold, the debate chicken, is flattening.

[South40]

Bad News for the Arnold gang

Actually, if true, that would be bad news for Californians as it would be taking more votes away from the only man who stands a chance of defeating bustamante.

[RGSpincich]

To: Bob

His second step is to start the initiative process to get it on the March ballot and let the people themselves vote on it.

Given his working relationship with others in the legislature, this will be his SOP. He won't get jack done. He will be laughed out of office.


14 posted on 09/14/2003 2:19 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Who is going to pay for all of these initiative petitions? Getting something onto the ballot in this state isn't cheap.


15 posted on 09/14/2003 2:21 PM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)
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Who is going to pay for all the initiatives, Bob?

[RGSpincich]

BOOM, to the initiative process we go

It's only time and money. I thought we were out of both.

[sruleoflaw]

Thank you for your continued views. I disagree.

There are three Democrats in the race and one Republican and Arnold ain't the one Republican. I think, sadly for Arnold the people are starting to get it, and will say no to the GOP establishment choice. I'll send you a crying towel after the Sept. 24 debate -- you going to need it to wipe up what's left of Arnold.

Don't go near tall buildings during the next three weeks; your fellow Arnoldians are getting upset.

[virgil]

I don't think Arnold is electable and Bustmante is a foreign nightmare. This is all to keep Gray Davis in office, while Arnold does major damage to the GOP.

[South40]

Your posts are getting more and more absurd. Crying towels and tall buildings? You'd do your argument a disservice by saying such things. But, it's your call.

[Bob]

Given his working relationship with others in the legislature, this will be his SOP. He won't get jack done. He will be laughed out of office.

If he needs to govern by initiative and the line-item veto, so be it. Every initiative that passes will show people even more clearly just how badly the legislature is representing their interests. That's not a bad thing to accomplish. It may even help in breaking the dem stranglehold on the legislature.

Who is going to pay for all of these initiative petitions? Getting something onto the ballot in this state isn't cheap.

15 posted on 09/14/2003 2:21 PM PDT by Poohbah (Hee Haw was supposed to be a television show...not the basis of a political movement...)

Who is going to pay for all the initiatives, Bob?

Once you've taken into account the billions in cost savings from a successful tax-cutting initiative, you get a net gain, not a cost.

[Poohbah]

Notice that nobody wants to TOUCH the question of funding every damn initiative petition McClintock would have to start?

[Poohbah]

Once you've taken into account the billions in cost savings from a successful tax-cutting initiative, you get a net gain, not a cost.

Uh, Bob, maybe you didn't understand the question, so I will repeat it in true Tombot mode (all caps and big fonts).

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NEEDED FOR CIRCULATING EACH AND EVERY INITIATIVE PETITION AND GETTING EACH AND EVERY PETITION QUALIFIED FOR THE BALLOT?