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To: The Electrician
“Are you denying that the term "neocon" has become practically synonymous with "the Jews"? Or that the name "Wolfowitz" is commonly used as a euphemsim by anti-Semites when they want to disguise their anti-Semitism?
There are plenty of leftist Jews who believe that Jews who express conservative views are "Nazis", just as there are many leftist blacks who label conservative blacks as "uncle Toms".
It's clear that Kuttner and Rubin are knowingly doing exactly the same thing.”

This statement was not addressed to me but it is such an absurdity that I feel compelled to answer. It is true that the neocons believe that Israel should be protected militarily and to a ridiculous extreme, but it is an outrageous assertion that the actual political philosophy simply does not exist and is simply anti-Semitism. Neocons are real.This absolutely wacky idea that you have invented that there is some sort of conspiracy among anti-Semites. It isn’t true. It is a red herring. If it weren’t such pathetically transparent as a poly to distract from the actual policy it would be easy to believe that you are the real anti-Semite.

Before you make unfounded, outrageous, bigoted and idiotic statements check even basic facts. Go to a search engine and learn for yourself what the Doctrine of Preemption is and who its creators were. I doubt you will need to do that, because I think you already know what it is and who its advocates are within and outside the Administration, but you want to distract the real issue with “race baiting” in a new form.
63 posted on 09/14/2003 2:50:41 PM PDT by Theyknow
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To: Theyknow
Neocons are real.This absolutely wacky idea that you have invented that there is some sort of conspiracy among anti-Semites. It isn’t true. It is a red herring.

Decades ago this red herring tactics was used by Stalinists and Trotskyites. They were quick to accuse the anti-communists of antisemitism. Neo-cons have some Trotskyite roots so it shows that old habits do not die easily.

68 posted on 09/14/2003 2:56:10 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Theyknow
This statement was not addressed to me but it is such an absurdity that I feel compelled to answer.

Then please feel compelled to answer truthfully and not put words into my mouth. What I stated was factual. I have not called anybody an anti-Semite. I have not said that everybody who uses the term "neocon" is a closeted anti-Semite. I have not asserted that "that the actual political philosophy simply does not exist and is simply anti-Semitism". I was, in fact, replying to the assertion that since Kuttner is Jewish, he could not have been criticizing the neocons' "Jewishness". That assertion is no more valid than asserting that Al Sharpton could not be criticizing Clarence Thomas because of Thomas' "blackness".

If you want to be taken seriously, then "before you make unfounded, outrageous, bigoted and idiotic statements" you should make an attempt at reading and comprehending the words that I actually wrote and the meaning that I was actually conveying, rather than imputing to me statements and beliefs that are completely and totally foreign to me, and which can not be backed up by examining anything that I have written.

70 posted on 09/14/2003 3:00:52 PM PDT by The Electrician
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To: Theyknow
"what the Doctrine of Preemption is and who its creators were. "

September 6, 1807:
"...it will be a subject for consideration whether, on satisfactory evidence that any tribe means to strike us, we shall not anticipate by giving them the first blow,"

Of course Thomas Jefferson wasn't really the first "neo-con"advocate of the Doctrine of Preemption.
Ol' Moses and his "neo-con" gang were kinda fond of it too.


"We had a communication from the President with some nominations, and one from the Representatives respecting the Algerines.
It was from Jefferson. It held out that we must either go to war with these piratical states, compound and pay them an annual stipend, and ransom our captives, or give up trade. The report seemed to breathe resentment, and abounded with martial estimates in a naval way. We have now fourteen unhappy men in captivity at Algiers. I wish we had them relieved, and the trade to the Mediterranean abandoned."
January 3, 1791
Journal of William Maclay, United States Senator from Pennsylvania, 1789-1791

I nominate Senator MacClay for first official US paleocon, and Thomas Jefferson for first official US neocon!

84 posted on 09/14/2003 5:09:36 PM PDT by mrsmith
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