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Schwarzenegger apparently fudged on visa
Billings Gazette ^ | 9-14-03 | Billings Gazette

Posted on 09/14/2003 2:09:37 AM PDT by ambrose

September 14, 2003

Last modified September 14, 2003 - 1:33 am


Schwarzenegger apparently fudged on visa

Knight Ridder News

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger has denounced illegal immigration in his bid to become California's next governor, but the Austrian native may have stretched the bounds of United States law to gain his own ticket to America in the 1960s.

As a 21-year-old bodybuilder, Schwarzenegger came to the United States in 1968 on a B-1 visa, which allows visiting athletes to compete and train but bars them from drawing a salary from an American company.

But in his 1977 autobiography, Schwarzenegger said he reached a deal with a legendary figure in the bodybuilding industry "to pay me a weekly salary in exchange for my information and being able to use photographs of me in his magazine."

That arrangement, said a half dozen immigration attorneys across the nation, appears to have violated the terms of his visa.

"It allows you to come in to conduct business, but to be gainfully employed you need a visa that allows you to be gainfully employed in the United States," said New York-based immigration attorney Steven S. Mukamal. "It would seem that Mr. Schwarzenegger violated his own status."

Schwarzenegger told campaign aides last week that he does not recall earning a salary during his first year in America, even though he wrote about it in his autobiography and the arrangement has been reported in many accounts over the decades.

Aides to the actor vigorously defend the candidate's immigration record, saying that the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service would not have extended his B-1 visa after six months, then given him a temporary working visa if he had done anything wrong.

"The INS knew full well what he was doing here and had no problem with it," said Thomas Hiltachk, Schwarzenegger's attorney. "Had there been any violation of his existing visa, he would not have been granted a new visa."

Schwarzenegger declined be interviewed or release immigration records that detail his employment history in the United States.

Immigration has emerged as a central issue in the race to replace Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, who is facing an historic Oct. 7 recall election.

Although many immigrants break the terms of their visa by working in the United States, Schwarzenegger has repeatedly stressed that he followed the rules and insists that other immigrants must do the same.

Actor backed proposition

The Hollywood star, who calls himself the "true immigrant" in the race, has used his own rags-to-riches tale to explain his support for Proposition 187, a controversial 1994 ballot measure that sought to bar illegal immigrants from receiving educational and social services. And, as governor, he has vowed to fight a law Davis signed earlier this month that allows illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses.

"People like myself waited for 15 years after I came to this country - legally - to get citizenship," Schwarzenegger said recently on talk radio. "So I find it unfair to push the whole thing of undocumented immigrants and to say, 'Well, you know they should just get their citizenship because they're coming in.'"

But Schwarzenegger's own tale is not so clear-cut.

The B-1 visa that Schwarzenegger received allows a select group of visitors to come into the United States for brief periods of business. It allows athletes to take part in competitions, ministers to lead evangelical tours, engineers to install computer systems and musicians to record albums. Under the terms of the visa, "a nonimmigrant in B-1 status may not receive a salary from a U.S. source for services rendered in connection with his or her activities in the United States." The rules do allow immigrants to receive "actual reasonable expenses," such as money for food and hotel rooms.

Even before he arrived in America, Schwarzenegger has said, he struck a deal to work for bodybuilding magnate Joe Weider while he had a B-1 visa so he could train in California. Weider persuaded Schwarzenegger to train at the legendary Gold's Gym in Venice after the young bodybuilder lost a major competition in Florida.

"I worked out an agreement with Joe Weider to spend one year in America," Schwarzenegger wrote in his 1977 autobiography. "My part of the agreement was to make available to Weider information about how I trained. He agreed to provide an apartment, a car and to pay me a weekly salary in exchange for my information and being able to use photographs of me in his magazine."

Weider talked about pay

In interviews over the years with major American newspapers, Weider has said he paid the young bodybuilder between $100 and $200 a week to write brochures and columns for his bodybulding magazines.

Last month in an interview with the San Jose Mercury News, Weider said he paid Schwarzenegger $200 a week, a generous sum in 1968 when the average weekly wage was about $114.

"I paid him right away," Weider said. "How do you think he was going to live?"

Schwarzenegger spokesman Sean Walsh also told the Mercury News last month that the young bodybuilder was paid a weekly salary, but Walsh said that it was only $65 a week.

When the San Jose Mercury News questioned last week whether taking a salary violated the terms of Schwarzenegger's visa, the campaign argued that Schwarzenegger did not receive a salary.

Hiltachk said that, despite what Schwarzenegger wrote in his autobiography, the actor does not think he was paid in exchange for work while he had a B-1 visa.

"His recollection was foggy, but he said he didn't believe he received a salary or was working for Joe," Hiltachk said.

If Weider did pay Schwarzenegger a salary to write for his magazines in 1968 and 1969, that would have been a violation of his immigration status, six immigration attorneys said last week.

"If I had presented that story to the INS, I doubt they would have OK'd it," said San Francisco attorney Don Ungar, who has been practicing immigration law for 42 years. "If he's being paid to provide information that's being used by Joe Weider, that strikes me as employment."

Hiltachk said the candidate's 1973 application to become a permanent resident outlines his relationship with Weider, demonstrating that the INS knew of the business arrangement and found no fault with it. But Hiltachk declined to release any details, citing attorney-client privilege.

The Mercury News filed a public records request for access to Schwarzenegger's immigration file, but the federal government - citing confidentiality - released just one of the 83 pages - a newspaper article from 1974. The INS, now called the Bureau of Immigration and Citizenship Services, also declined to discuss Schwarzenegger's immigration record.

In November 1969, after more than a year in the United States, Schwarzenegger received an H-2 visa, which allowed him to work in this country. He became a permanent resident in 1974 and a citizen in 1983.

Copyright © 2003 Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Copyright © The Billings Gazette, a division of Lee Enterprises.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldvisa; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 09/14/2003 2:09:37 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
How many times are you going to post this canard?
2 posted on 09/14/2003 2:11:54 AM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: annyokie
First time I posted this.
3 posted on 09/14/2003 2:13:43 AM PDT by ambrose (Member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: ambrose
My apologies. I have seen this "story" at least three times today.

4 posted on 09/14/2003 2:16:52 AM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: ambrose; SauronOfMordor
Another slanderous article. This is what I mean. People disprove the lies and slanders against Arnold, but that doesn't stop the anti-Arnold crowd from posting the same lies over and over and over again.

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Here is an excellent post pointing out that Arnold did NOT violate the terms of his visa.

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"But in his 1977 autobiography, Schwarzenegger said he reached a deal with a legendary figure in the bodybuilding industry "to pay me a weekly salary in exchange for my information and being able to use photographs of me in his magazine."

That arrangement, said a half dozen immigration attorneys across the nation, appears to have violated the terms of his visa.

"It allows you to come in to conduct business, but to be gainfully employed you need a visa that allows you to be gainfully employed in the United States," said New York-based immigration attorney Steven S. Mukamal. "It would seem that Mr. Schwarzenegger violated his own status."



Arnold performed no work, so it's not a "salary". He licensed permission to use his pictures and talk about him in the mag in exchange for a license fee to be paid in weekly installments.


8 posted on 09/13/2003 2:17 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981953/posts?page=8#8
5 posted on 09/14/2003 2:24:25 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: ambrose
So what are we going to do?

Deport Arnold as an example to all scofflaws who flout the INS regulations? That action would certainly remove him from the governor's race in California. Most assuredly, the INS will only look even more inconsistent and capricious than they now are.

I do not see a winning strategy here. For anybody. Except for Cruz Bustamante, maybe.
6 posted on 09/14/2003 2:47:07 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: alloysteel
Not sure what to make of this story other than to understand a little better why Arnold seems so eager to have amnesty imposed by the feds.
7 posted on 09/14/2003 2:52:05 AM PDT by ambrose (Member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: ambrose
And it would appear that nowhere along the way did the non-citizen Schwarzenegger use social services as do many of the ILLEGAL immigrants now under scrutiny. Apples and oranges here, folks. Nothing to see...
8 posted on 09/14/2003 2:58:42 AM PDT by szweig
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To: ambrose
NONIMMIGRANT VISA CATEGORIES


* B-1 Visa ~ Temporary Business Visitors
* E-1, E-2 Visa ~ Treaty Traders and Investors
* F Visa ~ Students
* H-1B Visa ~ Skilled Professionals
* H-2 & H-3 Visas ~ Temporary Workers and Trainees
* J-1 Visa ~ Practical Trainees
* L Visa ~ Intracompany Transferees
* TN Visa - Canada ~ Canadian Professionals and Consultants
* TN Visa - Mexico ~ Mexican Professionals and Consultants
* O Visa ~ Aliens of Extraordinary Ability


9 posted on 09/14/2003 3:11:05 AM PDT by maica (Mainstream American)
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To: ambrose
This story has been posted before.
10 posted on 09/14/2003 3:16:24 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: ambrose
OMG!!!
11 posted on 09/14/2003 3:29:29 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. Get over it already!)
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To: ambrose
Ever wonder why more good people dont go in to politics?

Digging up crap from birth , the media will crucify their mothers if they could.
12 posted on 09/14/2003 3:42:49 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: ambrose
as much as i do not want arnold to win, the constant bashing of him is turning him into a sympathetic figure to me. leave the man alone. he is a human being and he has feelings and he must be hurt everytime another stories comes on. the attacks are becoming MEAN!!!
cast the 1st stone if....
13 posted on 09/14/2003 3:58:45 AM PDT by WillowyDame
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To: WillowyDame
as much as i do not want arnold to win, the constant bashing of him is turning him into a sympathetic figure

And placing Bustamante closer to the governor's parking space.

14 posted on 09/14/2003 4:32:35 AM PDT by hotpotato
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To: ambrose
Well, ambrose, what do you suggest we do about Arnold? Strip him of his citizenship, seize his property, toss him in jail and deport him back to Austria?
15 posted on 09/14/2003 5:14:51 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: ambrose
They obviously only talke to Gray Davis immigration lawyers. There are more than enough work arounds. In addition, the Visa is granted based on the "intent of the visitor"

I don't know about the 70's but presently the "B1/B2" visa for tourists is the exact same visa used for those entereing the USA for business purposes. The seperate B1 and B2 were consolodated as one at some point.

I believe the statute of limitation would have run on this Looooooong ago. The fact that the AP would carry this stinks the same as the NYT disease.
16 posted on 09/14/2003 5:43:53 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: ambrose
Does this mean he can get a CA drivers license?
17 posted on 09/14/2003 5:46:47 AM PDT by snooker
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To: szweig
BUT according to some here on FR, it doesn't matter!!!!! They'll say SEND HIM BACK. Besides it's the government's fault for even offering any social services to illegal immigrants.
18 posted on 09/14/2003 5:51:12 AM PDT by cyborg (I hate liberals)
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To: longtermmemmory
They obviously only talke to Gray Davis immigration lawyers. There are more than enough work arounds. In addition, the Visa is granted based on the "intent of the visitor"

Keep in mind that Arnold is opposed to illegal immigration, which will impact the business of the "immigration lawyers", so they are not disinterested parties.

As I said on other threads, it doesn't look like Arnold violated the law. He performed no work for Weider. He simply allowed Weider to use Arnold's image and allowed Weider's reporter access to observe Arnold's training methods. He entered the US as an athlete, and does not seem to have done anything other than athletic training during the term of the visa. Per the article

The B-1 visa that Schwarzenegger received allows a select group of visitors to come into the United States for brief periods of business. It allows athletes to take part in competitions, ministers to lead evangelical tours, engineers to install computer systems and musicians to record albums. Under the terms of the visa, "a nonimmigrant in B-1 status may not receive a salary from a U.S. source for services rendered in connection with his or her activities in the United States." The rules do allow immigrants to receive "actual reasonable expenses," such as money for food and hotel rooms.
It could be argued that what Arnold called a "salary" was in fact a stipend to cover his living expenses while in the US
19 posted on 09/14/2003 6:05:23 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: annyokie
It doesn't matter how many times he posts it. Who are you, the posting police?
20 posted on 09/14/2003 6:12:20 AM PDT by just looking
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