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America's Hidden Battlefield Toll
Guardian/Observer ^ | 9-14-03 | Jason Burke and Paul Harris

Posted on 09/13/2003 9:16:27 PM PDT by PatrioticCowboy

The true scale of American casualties in Iraq is revealed today by new figures obtained by The Observer, which show that more than 6,000 American servicemen have been evacuated for medical reasons since the beginning of the war, including more than 1,500 American soldiers who have been wounded, many seriously.

The figures will shock many Americans, who believe that casualties in the war in Iraq have been relatively light. Recent polls show that support for President George Bush and his administration's policy in Iraq has been slipping.

The number of casualties will also increase pressure on Bush to share the burden of occupying Iraq with more nations. Attempts to broker an international alliance to pour more men and money into Iraq foundered yesterday when Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, brusquely rejected a French proposal as 'totally unrealistic'.

Three US soldiers were killed last week, bringing the number of combat dead since hostilities in Iraq were declared officially over on 1 May to 68. A similar number have died in accidents. It is military police policy to announce that a soldier has been wounded only if they were involved in an incident that involved a death.

Critics of the policy say it hides the true extent of the casualties. The new figures reveal that 1,178 American soldiers have been wounded in combat operations since the war began on 20 March.

It is believed many of the American casualties evacuated from Iraq are seriously injured. Modern body armour, worn by almost all American troops, means wounds that would normally kill a man are avoided. However vulnerable arms and legs are affected badly. This has boosted the proportion of maimed among the injured.

There are also concerns that many men serving in Iraq will suffer psychological trauma. Experts at the National Army Museum in London said studies of soldiers in the First and Second World Wars showed that it was prolonged exposure to combat environments that was most damaging. Some American units, such as the Fourth Infantry Division, have been involved in frontline operations for more than six months.

Andrew Robertshaw, an expert at the museum, said wars also claimed casualties after they were over.

'Soldiers were dying from injuries sustained during World War I well into the 1920s,' he said.

British soldiers are rotated more frequently than their American counterparts. The Ministry of Defence has recently consulted the National Army Museum about psychological disorders suffered by combatants in previous wars in a bid to avoid problems.

The wounded return to the USA with little publicity.

Giant C-17 transport jets on medical evacuation missions land at Andrews Air Force Base, near Washington, every night.

Battlefield casualties are first treated at Army field hospitals in Iraq then sent to Landstuhl Regional Medical Centre in Germany, where they are stabilised.

Andrews is the first stop back home. As the planes taxi to a halt, gangplanks are lowered and the wounded are carried or walk out. A fleet of ambulances and buses meet the C-17s most nights to take off the most seriously wounded. Those requiring urgent operations and amputations are ferried to America's two best military hospitals, the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre, near Washington, and the National Naval Medical Centre, Bethesda.

The hospitals are busy. Sometimes all 40 of Walter Reed's intensive care beds are full.

Dealing with the aftermath of amputations and blast injuries is common. Mines, home-made bombs and rocket-propelled grenades are the weapons of choice of the Iraqi resistance fighters. They cause the sort of wounds that will cost a soldier a limb.

The less badly wounded stay overnight at the air base, where an indoor tennis club and a community centre have been turned into a medical staging facility. Many have little but the ragged uniforms on their backs. A local volunteer group, called America's Heroes of Freedom, has set up on the base to provide them with fresh clothes, food packages and toiletries. 'This is our way of saying, "We have not forgotten you,"' said group founder Susan Brewer.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: casualties; iraq; oef; oif; wia
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To: optimistically_conservative
or perhaps you are looking for the OMG effect of a raw number?

No, I'm not too much into OMG effects.

81 posted on 09/13/2003 9:59:51 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: section9
Once we do go in there, it will be against the will of the Pakistani Government, unless we can convince the Pakis that it is in their interest to clean up the Tribal Areas of Al Qaeda.

I agree, particularly with the part about having to go in against their will and I say that for one reason- I, personally, doubt that Musharaff could deal with the problem even if he really wanted to. It would be his downfall. The Pakistani military doesn't have a lot of influence in this region of the country that we're talking about here as far as I can tell. I can't see (and admittedly, it might be my own skewed way of looking at it) the Pakistanis working up a lot of fervor to go up there and fight these tribesmen.

What I'm really concerned about is those nukes. I sincerely hope that we have some plan to get in there and snatch those things if things get to a tipping point there or else things could get really ugly, really quickly.

82 posted on 09/13/2003 10:05:10 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: seamole
No, it is not shameful. And no one should feel ashamed. This is not like being injured in a car accident or in a terrorist bombing. My own adult child served in Operation Enduring Freedom. My adult child explained it to me. You do not reveal these Injuries (and YOU BET I DOUBT THOSE STATS BY THE GUARDIAN -- besides, is sick call, or blisters on the feet included in these stats?) -- again, these stats are not included, for one simple reason. We are in a war. You provide as little information as possible to your enemies. Hope this helps.

83 posted on 09/13/2003 10:10:45 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Timesink
THANK you for your very astute and sharp mind jumping into this thread. Yes, the left has orgasms -- as they do tend to celebrate "death" not "life" as a general rule. But on the other hand, there are some who are so wonderfully taken care of, defended and protected, who do not understand how high the stakes are in war. The soldiers know it. And the soldiers I know don't feel sorry for themselves; and they'd just about bust a gut knowing anyone was giving them a pity party here in the US. They'd rather be thanked; injuries sustained or not in the Line of Honor and Duty.
84 posted on 09/13/2003 10:13:37 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: PatrioticCowboy; Destro; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER; tictoc
>>>> I hope that we win soon in Iraq, cuz I fear the Rats wil win in 04

We need to take it up a notch. Total war would teach the Iraqis some respect for our force. Shocke and awe wasn't very inspiring.
85 posted on 09/13/2003 10:14:08 PM PDT by risk
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To: Cathryn Crawford
There are organizations you can join -- a TON of them if you'd like to help. Just go to the DOD sites. I know talk show host "Roger Hedgecock" has a special operation going.
86 posted on 09/13/2003 10:14:31 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Alia
by the first paragraph and the source, I knew this was going to be hysterical gibberish from lefty central,
87 posted on 09/13/2003 10:14:33 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Cathryn Crawford
What do you mean? Like, what do you find of particular interest?
88 posted on 09/13/2003 10:15:22 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Yours: I know a couple of hundred Vietnam vets and the two or three who have problems were nut cases when they went over. I have no idea of the percentage but suspect many of those with problems would have had problems no matter what. 98% of those I know, are normal people today.

You are so right. But when we factor in the nut jobs who are NOT in the military, and really don't like it much; but pretend they care.. why... lol! It makes the idea of a debate rather a sport, no?

89 posted on 09/13/2003 10:18:33 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: section9
As a little footnote to my last post:

Pakistan helped al-Qaeda set up shop in Afghanistan: US documents

...They nonetheless paint a complex picture of factional rivalry, in which Pakistan had tried to use the Taliban and al-Qaeda to promote its influence in war-torn Afghanistan -- only to eventually lose control over both of them.

"Taliban acceptance and approval of fundamentalist non-Afghans as part of their fighting force were merely an extension of Pakistani policy during the Soviet-Afghan war," said one of the DIA dispatches among US government agencies after the September 11 attacks but before US troops began their operation to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It said Pakistani agents "encouraged, facilitated and often escorted Arabs from the Middle East into Afghanistan." ....

According to the DIA, the camp, target of a US missile strike, was built by Pakistani contractors funded by the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), and protected by a local and influential Jadran tribal leader called Jalalludin.

"However, the real host of the facility was the Pakistani ISI," said one of the documents, which added that this arrangement raised "serious questions" about early ties between bin Laden and Pakistani intelligence.

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I think Pakistan has had a hand in creating a Frankenstein's Monster that they can no longer effectively deal with.

90 posted on 09/13/2003 10:18:46 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: PatrioticCowboy
Well, pardner, I haven't seen you around these parts before. PatrioticCowboy, member "Since Aug 17, 2003".

Hmmmm, "The sad thing is that the Taliban have been coming back strong in Afghanistan. Bush should have focused on them before Iraq". Now, whose ugly mugs did I hear that from before, during, and after the Iraq war???

Oh, a totally unrelated thought just popped into my head. I wonder if the DU trolls will change their strategy from those goofy "Die Republican scum" and sick porno posts and try to ease their way into FR. You know, post things from anti-American leftist newspapers and then remark about how concerned they are about it (while casually throwing out criticism of leftists to gain credibility).
91 posted on 09/13/2003 10:20:13 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: Pikamax
I'm with you! lol. I've been a real hawk watching what has been going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. You know what really disgusts me? People who are hacks for the anti-military effort. The guardian article is one such example; but there are so many others. Like.. military moms against the war. Like this is so like a "spontaneous cookie bake", right? Wrong. Obviously, you've been really paying attention to. The amazing thing is, it is so easy to get at the truth, but some don't want to do the work on their own; no, no.. they just wish to be told what to think, or what to say. While, they talk bad about the military being turned into "droids". Kinda the pot calling the kettle black -- but with a major difference. The military is honorable; comprised of honorable men and women. The hacks, OTOH, have no honor.
92 posted on 09/13/2003 10:23:02 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: mikegi
Actually, yes. you are so right. It's part of Dean's campaign for organized groupies to do exactly this. I posted the article at FR, with a note: Heads Up! They are on their way!...
93 posted on 09/13/2003 10:24:25 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
I don't understand how this is liberal drivel.

It's liberal drivel because in my city (population approximately 300,000) we have had around 250 deaths and countless accidents since May 1. This is not to minimize ANY soldier's death, but it's not at all unusual to have that number of deaths in Iraq or any other place for that matter.

Liberals want George Bush to fail so badly that I actually believe they rejoice at every bad thing that happens in Iraq. They want the economy to stay in a rut and they want the wars to fail, just to gain political power. POWER is more important to them than health, security and lives. It's a sad time in America.

94 posted on 09/13/2003 10:51:20 PM PDT by GOP-Pat
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Do you mean we as in "US" or we as in the press?

The liberal press certainly is not going to give the opportunity for the injured to tell their stories! In the end that would only garner more support for the military and in the end Bush. They could no longer cry Quagmire every five seconds cause the American people would get ticked off at them for trying to make the military look bad plus the facts from real soldiers/marines/airmen/seamen would spill out all over the place.

Possibly the only news media that would let these stories out is FOX but lately they don't seem too interested either. They even stopped talking about Afghanistan because a memo came down from the top telling them to and even O'Reilly admitted to the memo being real. I would think most Americans would want to hear these things and these stories as well.
95 posted on 09/13/2003 11:13:54 PM PDT by kuma
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To: bart99
America's Heroes of Freedom"

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96 posted on 09/13/2003 11:23:51 PM PDT by boxerblues (God Bless the 101st, stay safe, stay armed and watch your backs)
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To: PatrioticCowboy
I think anyone who would spit on a GI needs beaten up badly

Fortunately, the "soldiers spit on" stories are quite apocryphal - there aren't any confirmed incidents of such. There may have been isolated incidents, but it wasn't some sort of phenomenon. Now, the insults and such, those did happen, and were utterly subhuman things to do to men who had already had enough.

Snidely

97 posted on 09/13/2003 11:45:05 PM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
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To: mikegi
I have you know that I am a classic Reagan-style Republican.

I am NOT a neo-con, but I intensely and passionately support our nation's fighting men and women.

However, I see that you are trying to create division and controversy.

However, I forgive you, because I am also concerned with the sick tactics of the left.

Can we be friends?

98 posted on 09/13/2003 11:49:09 PM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: risk
The ROK tactics need introduced to Iraq.

Total war needs carried out against the terrorist scumbags
99 posted on 09/13/2003 11:50:52 PM PDT by PatrioticCowboy
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To: Cathryn Crawford
I want to know how many soldiers have been injured, personally. I don't know why we don't talk about them.

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The seriousness of the situation is being minimized to the American public.

100 posted on 09/14/2003 2:12:20 AM PDT by RLK
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