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To: BibChr
Hello BibChr...

Looks like a debate...(understanding that your statements reflect sarcasm...)

Winning is bad, losing is good

What is happening here, is that we are compromising first and bargaining from there. We should begin with Strength, then bargain in order to advance our agenda...

Voting is about feeling good, not getting things done

Voting itself is about advancing the cause, similar to what you said, but you should never feel badly about a vote you cast. If you cast your vote as the lesser of two evils, you have chosen something better. But if both preferred candidates have beliefs that are against your soul, you should not vote for either one.

A B+ is an F, because anything less than perfect is EEEEEEEEVILLLLL

This argument is not worth consideration, since no candidate is perfect for everyone.

Better to take eighty-seven "principled" steps backward that one step forward

One does not take "principled" steps backward. Because someone chooses principle over winning, does not mean they are moving backwards...however the opposition is moving forwards. This is the balance we must always take to the polls. Do we hold the line? Do we stand on principles and hope others agree advancing our agenda? Do we sit on the sidelines? All three are part of voting.

Better to lose fourteen things you already have than gain only one of the ten you want

Argument is the same as above but with different numbers.

Better to use Reagan's name than do what Regan said and did

Why do you feel that Reagan Man is outside of what you think Reagan would have us do? It is a fair question...

DD

38 posted on 09/13/2003 6:55:27 PM PDT by DiamondDon1 (Official Tombot, Member VRWC)
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To: DiamondDon1; BibChr
"Why do you feel that Reagan Man is outside of what you think Reagan would have us do? It is a fair question..."

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Because Reagan understood the value of compromise, and those evoking his name don't, they use the scorched earth strategy, which BibChr summed up so well.

In Reagan's own words:

""When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."



52 posted on 09/13/2003 8:12:25 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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