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Bomb Plot Points to Neo-Nazi Threat in Germany
Yahoo News ^ | September 12 2003 | Katie Allen/Reuters

Posted on 09/13/2003 3:24:53 AM PDT by knighthawk

BERLIN (Reuters) - A foiled neo-Nazi attack on a Jewish community center has emphasized a growing threat of far-right violence in Germany, officials said on Friday.

Police seized explosives and arrested several people with links to the far-right scene this week, saying they had planned a bomb attack possibly timed for the 65th anniversary of one of Nazi Germany's most notorious pogroms.

Bavarian Interior Minister Guenther Beckstein said on Friday the alleged plot underlined the need to crush a burgeoning extremist scene.

"In recent months there has obviously been an escalation. Things have moved to a totally new level," he told a news conference in the Bavarian capital Munich.

"This isn't just about people wearing banned Nazi symbols or listening to far-right songs. This is about professional violence," said Beckstein.

Federal prosecutors coordinating the Munich case said they were investigating seven people on suspicion of belonging to a criminal organization. Two others were being examined on Friday.

A spokeswoman said there were indications that the group might have been planning a number of attacks.

Beckstein said security was being stepped up around Munich's Jewish institutions and at the Oktoberfest, the world's largest beer festival, due to start on September 20.

The Oktoberfest has been target by far-right extremists before. In 1980, a bomb planted by right-wing extremists exploded outside the main entrance, killing 13 people and injuring about 200.

POGROM ANNIVERSARY PLOT?

A Munich-based Jewish community group said the suspects were planning to detonate a bomb at the foundation-laying ceremony of a community center on November 9, the 65th anniversary of the 1938 "Reichskristallnacht" pogrom in which 91 Jews were murdered and thousands of their synagogues and shops destroyed.

Police said on Friday they were still conducting investigations. "It still needs to be established whether the attack was planned for the ceremony on November 9 or in the run-up to it," said Munich police president Wilhelm Schmidbauer.

The Munich arrests underline a growing trend where on average two crimes with far-right motivation are committed daily in Germany, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrat party said.

Official figures showed the number of neo-Nazis prepared to use violence had risen by 30 percent in the last four years to 10,700 people, said SPD extreme-right expert Sebastian Edathy.

Although Interior Ministry figures show the actual number of far right crimes fell in 2002, in the last decade 100 people have been killed in far-right or racist violence, directed mostly at dark-skinned foreigners.

Among the worst incidents was the 1993 firebombing death of five Turks in the western German city of Solingen.

The investigation in Munich, the birthplace of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, move the spotlight away from the economically depressed east Germany, where attacks have been more frequent and surged in the early 1990s after unification.

Bavaria's Beckstein said uncovering further plots and protecting the Jewish community were now priorities in his wealthy state.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bomb; foiled; germany; jewish; nazi; nazis; plot

1 posted on 09/13/2003 3:24:54 AM PDT by knighthawk
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If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

2 posted on 09/13/2003 3:25:39 AM PDT by knighthawk (Freedom is my believe, for you I would die)
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To: anotherGerman
We discussed this issue among others some time ago.

For your information.
3 posted on 09/13/2003 3:39:19 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: knighthawk
The Oktoberfest has been target by far-right extremists before. In 1980, a bomb planted by right-wing extremists exploded outside the main entrance, killing 13 people and injuring about 200.

I was there.
My friends and I walked through that main entrance no more than 10 minutes prior to the explosion.
We didn't hear about what happened until the following day.

I have often gone through everything I can remember about the people at the scene as we left, wondering whether I saw anything that might have prevented that tragedy.

4 posted on 09/13/2003 3:44:04 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: knighthawk
What is the definition of "the far-right?"

The Nazi Party is socialist, wouldn't that make them part of the left?

5 posted on 09/13/2003 3:47:40 AM PDT by ResistorSister (They are being given enough rope to hang themselves.)
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To: knighthawk
A foiled neo-Nazi attack on a Jewish community center has emphasized a growing threat of far-right violence in Germany, officials said on Friday.

Police seized explosives and arrested several people with links to the far-right scene this week, saying they had planned a bomb attack possibly timed for the 65th anniversary of one of Nazi Germany's most notorious pogroms.

They continue to include the Nazis as a far right group. In that case the Al-Quida, Al-Aqsa, and Islamic Jihad would be what(?) Far Far Far Right????

6 posted on 09/13/2003 3:52:46 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (If Islam is peaceful...then so are pitbulls.....)
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To: knighthawk
It is funny how the 'far right' is pretty much in total agreement with the Howard Dean leftists in this country.
7 posted on 09/13/2003 4:30:57 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: ThreePuttinDude
We consider the threats of foreigners/Islamists to be not in our political scene. Therefore we know three main groups of threats to our freedom-based, democratic society: Islamists, extremists of the far-left and extremists of the far-right.
8 posted on 09/13/2003 5:12:41 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (German, and proud of it.)
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To: ResistorSister
The Nazi Party is socialist, wouldn't that make them part of the left?

But they were also nationalists, even moreso than socialists. So according to European conventions they are considered to be on the "far-right".
And this is one of the reasons I don't like this right-wing left-wing: it's too one-dimensional.

9 posted on 09/13/2003 5:24:52 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
Thanks for the lesson!
10 posted on 09/13/2003 5:58:33 AM PDT by ResistorSister (They are being given enough rope to hang themselves.)
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To: BMCDA
The term "Nazi" is derived from "National Socialists", which was the designation for Hitler's movement.

In MHO, they were, and still are, far left-wing.
11 posted on 09/13/2003 7:28:02 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie
I'm well aware of that and I can certainly understand your point: if it calls itself socialist it is left wing.
But there is also a long tradition in Europe to put every nationalistic party (especially if the "nationalist" is the more dominant element) into the far-right corner.
So in the end, left- resp. right-wing mean whatever you want them to mean since IMHO they don't adequately describe the whole political spectrum.
12 posted on 09/13/2003 9:45:01 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: knighthawk
When are the brilliant officials going to realize that the neo-nazis and the Islamic terrorists are aligned together in their quest to wipe out western civilization?
13 posted on 09/13/2003 9:49:21 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: BMCDA; ResistorSister
I don't like this right-wing left-wing: it's too one-dimensional.

Aye, and actually the reason the lefties like to perpetuate it is because the underlying implication is "there is only socialism". In other words, if as far right as you can go is national socialism and as far left as you can go is communism- that means everything in between is one form of socialism or another and it is only left to us to define under which form of socialism we shall live.

This is, of course, bollocks. The nazis in Germany differently from their brethren in Russia principly on the assumption of whether socialism is best carried out on a national or an international scale. The Nazis had come to the conclusion that the International version of socialism was actually a hinderance to the furtherance of the masses and in order to get true socialism, it must be set up by a worthy nation and people on a national scale- as a model to the rest of the world- and then that form would eventually take over the world as the dominant model.

It's still socialism either way you slice it. All that nonsense, whether national socialist or communist is on the left. In my view, if you want to use the two direction metaphor, it would be better to look on the far right as those libertarians who want absolutely no gov't control of the individual at all. It makes the most sense. Conservatives want less gov't control and more freedom to the individual- and hence the individual is responsible for his actions/fate. Conservatives seek a form of gov't that best protects the freedom a man has but one that is limited to that. Further in that direction- Libertarians are for the most part (the drug arguments aside) simply more radical in this outlook in that they believe any gov't at all detracts from freedom.

This argument that the nazis are on the far right- it is as if people are saying- too much freedom makes you a nationalist or going too far in the direction of freedom makes you a nationalist. It's madness.

14 posted on 09/13/2003 2:11:12 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Well, I agree with you and I also think the definition you gave is more consistent but it doesn't change the fact that the socialists in Europe were successful in placing the Nazis into the right-wing corner.
I don't like this either but I think we have to get used to the fact that the term "right-wing" has been tainted with Nazism in the Old World. This is also the reason why no European politician claims to be a right-winger even if this is the case according to the definition in your post.
15 posted on 09/13/2003 2:45:59 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: ValerieUSA
They are deying that for ages. In the Netherlands neo-nazis and pro-Khomeini islamists demonstrate together against Israel every year. There you see skinheads with Palestinian flags.

Yet political correctness forbids the linking of the hated nazis to the guys loved by the left, the sandnazis.
16 posted on 09/14/2003 4:45:52 AM PDT by knighthawk (Freedom is my believe, for you I would die)
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