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To: RightWingAtheist
Today, that search is going to extreme lengths, as scientists posit hidden realms, such as extra dimensions or parallel subuniverses, that could help make sense of our apparently random cosmos. They're also planning giant experiments that may turn up hints of these shadow universes.

The Bible also speaks of 3 heavens in an unseen area. Biblical theologins say there may be as many as 7 different demensions- a Holy number in the scriptures.
The Bible says in the end of time as we now it, the "veil" between these universes, i.e., between the seen and unseen demensions, will be lifted.
Quantum physicists throughout the ages have come to a conclusion that something, a word, thought, a push, had to have started everyhing somewhere. Many of the quantum physicists were very spiritual people, but somehow had to be able to mathmatically explain their theories. That's where the separation of spirituality, or what they refered to as mysticism, divided it and the world of physics as we know it today. They couldn't put the mystery of the unseen into a mathmatical, physical formula.
I've reciently been reading a book titled "Quantum Questions" by Ken Wilber. He's compiled the various theories between mystisism and quantum theories by Heisenberg, Schrodinger (who's cat is STILL dead), Einstein, De Brogle, Jeans, Planck, Pauli, and Eddington. So far, I'm just starting the 7th chapter.

3 posted on 09/12/2003 11:04:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
The Bible also speaks of 3 heavens in an unseen area. Biblical theologins say there may be as many as 7 different demensions- a Holy number in the scriptures. The Bible says in the end of time as we now it, the "veil" between these universes, i.e., between the seen and unseen demensions, will be lifted.

Well, it may seem like the Bible prophecy, but really, it's a stretch to compare the scientific theory of extra dimensions to the pre-scientific conception of Heaven. If the extra dimensions do turn out to exist, then the Bible writers just made a lucky guess, like Democritus did when he predicted the existence of atoms

Quantum physicists throughout the ages have come to a conclusion that something, a word, thought, a push, had to have started everyhing somewhere.

Er...quantum physics is just 103 years old, and the history of science has been characterized by a move away from teleological explanation and towards a more mechanistic explanation of events.

Many of the quantum physicists were very spiritual people, but somehow had to be able to mathmatically explain their theories.

Of course they had to mathematically explain them; otherwise, they wouldn't be valid scientific theories. :) Seriously, yes many of the quantum theorists have been spiritual people, beginning with Max Plank himself, a devout Lutheran. They have included devout Christians, such as John Polkinghorne and Erwin Schrodinger, Orthodox Jews such as Yuval Ne'eman, and yes, devout Muslims such as Abdus Salaam. But their contributions to quantum theory have been important because they all are or were good scientists, not because they were spritual people. David Bohm has received a lot of press for his fusions of quantum physics and mysticism (and for being a fellow-travelling lefty) but very little of his work had any actual scientific merit.

They couldn't put the mystery of the unseen into a mathmatical, physical formula.

Actually, I'd say they've done a darn good job at doing so.

10 posted on 09/13/2003 12:04:50 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Currently doing his Ph.D in Communication Studies)
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To: concerned about politics
"The Bible says in the end of time as we now it, the "veil" between these universes, i.e., between the seen and unseen demensions, will be lifted."

WHERE is the land of Luthany,
Where is the tract of Elenore?
I am bound therefor.

‘Pierce thy heart to find the key;
With thee take
Only what none else would keep;
Learn to dream when thou dost wake,
Learn to wake when thou dost sleep.
Learn to water joy with tears,
Learn from fears to vanquish fears;
To hope, for thou dar’st not despair,
Exult, for that thou dar’st not grieve;
Plough thou the rock until it bear;
Know, for thou else couldst not believe;
Lose, that the lost thou may’st receive;
Die, for none other way canst live.

When earth and heaven lay down their veil,
And that apocalypse turns thee pale;
When thy seeing blindeth thee
To what thy fellow-mortals see;
When their sight to thee is sightless;
Their living, death; their light, most lightless;
Search no more—
Pass the gates of Luthany, tread the region Elenore.’

Where is the land of Luthany,
And where the region Elenore?
I do faint therefor.

‘When to the new eyes of thee
All things by immortal power,
Near or far,
Hiddenly
To each other linkèd are,
That thou canst not stir a flower
Without troubling of a star;

When thy song is shield and mirror
To the fair snake-curlèd Pain,
Where thou dar’st affront her terror
That on her thou may’st attain
Perséan conquest; seek no more,
O seek no more!
Pass the gates of Luthany, tread the region Elenore.’
--"The Mistress of Vision", Francis Thompson

(Emphasis added by Boris)

21 posted on 09/13/2003 5:43:43 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: concerned about politics
Schrodinger (who's cat is STILL dead)


What is the story on the cat and why is it still dead? Sounds like a crazy story...amuse me
27 posted on 09/13/2003 7:15:39 AM PDT by Taffini (I like Tony Soprano eventhough he is a fat boy)
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To: concerned about politics
"The Bible also speaks of 3 heavens in an unseen area."

Do you happen to know where? I'd love to check that out.
42 posted on 09/13/2003 2:53:46 PM PDT by keats5 (And don't you dare correct my spelling!)
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To: concerned about politics; RightWingAtheist
An excerpt from Quantum Questions:
“I should like to stress the following:

1) Modern science, in its beginnings, was characterized by a conscious modesty; it made statements about strictly limited relations that are only valid within the framework of these limitations.

2) This modesty was largely lost during the nineteenth century.

Physical knowledge was considered to make assertions about nature as a whole. Physics wished to turn philosopher, and the demand was voiced from many quarters that all true philosophers must be scientific.

3) Today physics is undergoing a basic change, the most characteristic trait of which is a return to its original self-limitation.

4) The philosophic content of a science is only preserved if science is conscious of its limits. Great discoveries of the properties of individual phenomena are possible only if the nature of the phenomena is not generalized a priori. Only by leaving open the question of the ultimate essence of a body, of matter, of energy, etc., can physics reach an understanding of the individual properties of the phenomena that we designate by the concepts, an understanding which alone may lead us to real philosophical insight.”

Werner Heisenberg from “If Science Is Conscious of Its Limits...”


56 posted on 09/14/2003 8:57:55 AM PDT by D-fendr
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