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IE patent endgame detailed
news.com ^ | September 11, 2003

Posted on 09/12/2003 5:23:39 PM PDT by Nouge

Microsoft has suffered another legal setback in the patent dispute with software developer Eolas and is now advising Web authors on workarounds, as new details emerge of its plans to tweak Internet Explorer. A federal judge last week rejected Microsoft's post-trial claim that Eolas had misrepresented the facts in the patent case, which claimed the software giant had stolen browser technology relating to plug-ins. The ruling came after a $521 million verdict against the software giant last month, and ends Microsoft's first attempt to challenge the result.

Several more post-trial motions remain to be dispensed, and Microsoft doesn't expect a final judgment in this round to be handed down until October or November. After that, Microsoft has 30 days to decide whether to appeal, which it has pledged to do.

Still, last week's loss on claims of "inequitable conduct" heightened the sense that not only Microsoft but the entire Web may soon be forced to make substantial adjustments--and that pages around the Web and on private intranets will have to be rewritten to work with an altered IE.

"If you're currently using a plug-in, you will have to change your pages quite significantly," said one person familiar with Microsoft's post-verdict plans. "There might be tools to help you do so, but currently they don't exist."

Regardless of whether the court orders Microsoft to change IE, the software giant has been conferring with its own engineers and those of companies that rely on the browser's ability to automatically launch and display multimedia programs with plug-ins--an ability the court held to be, in its current form, an infringement of the Eolas patent.

Now Microsoft, while expressing optimism that it will ultimately prevail over Eolas in the courts, is advising Web authors to take precautions and prepare for a post-Eolas world.

"We believe we are going to be successful, but the wrong thing to do is to sit back and wait for the legal process to play out," said Michael Wallent, a general manager in Microsoft's Windows division who ran the IE team for versions 5.5 and 6, and who has been involved in the Eolas defense since the suit was filed. "There are technologies that are already used today (that aren't covered by the verdict) and all we are saying is, given the choice, use the technologies that are already available to you."

Those techniques involve using scripting languages and the set of technologies marketed as dynamic HTML (DHTML) to launch external applications--a commonly available and familiar method that Microsoft does not believe infringes on the patent.

Eolas and its lawyers did not return calls seeking comment.

Wallent cited CNN.com as an example of a site that uses Macromedia Flash--a technology many consider particularly vulnerable to the patent's claims--in a non-infringing way.

While Microsoft dispenses advice and stays mum on details of the workarounds it is contemplating for IE, sources who attended the company's recent strategy session with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)--hosted in San Francisco by Macromedia--described various methods the company proposed for evading the particulars of the Eolas patent in launching applications like Macromedia Flash, Java applets and Adobe's Acrobat Reader.

According to these sources, Microsoft said at the meeting that it believed a simple dialog box inserted between the selection and the launch of a Java applet or an ActiveX control would maneuver IE out of the patent's definition of an "automated interactive experience."

Microsoft also is said to have proposed other ways to launch applications in a way that could not be held to infringe on the patent, but would avoid the ungainly dialog box solution.

One such option would move the data to the Web page itself, rather than pulling it from an external source. In Microsoft's view, attendees said, the patent only covers a situation in which the Web page called up data located elsewhere. The company is said to have told attendees that it believes so-called inline data falls outside the Eolas patent claims because it is described in the HTML protocol published in 1991--three years before the initial Eolas patent filing.

To answer complaints that such a method would weigh down pages with heavy data loads, Microsoft proposed shifting that data to a separate frame.

While declining to comment on the specifics of the meeting or its plans for IE, Microsoft did warn that the Eolas patent threatened more than just Internet Explorer.

"This is not an issue just for IE," said Wallent. "This is a potential issue for Netscape Navigator, for Opera and for other browser vendors. This is an industry issue."

One attendee of the meeting who asked not to be named said that while Microsoft's workarounds were technically promising, their legal soundness was uncertain.

Worse, this attendee said, the implementation of the workarounds would require a huge amount of work on the part of Web authors.

"When you think about this, having to go around the patent highlights the stupidity of the patent system," he said. "Everyone in the field is very saddened by the whole thing, that we have to go through this exercise. The W3C has worked very hard to make the Web remain patent free and this might be the one thing that screws it all up. It's really very frustrating."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: eolas; ie; microsoft; plugins
Didn't see this posted... This is beyond stupid imo... If MS looses this the internet will not be the same. They also hold a patent to Collision Detection (MetaMAP)which means they will probably go after the video game industry next...
1 posted on 09/12/2003 5:23:39 PM PDT by Nouge
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To: Nouge
Why don't they just buy the plaintiff?

With the bucks they got they could finance a return mission to the Moon.

--Boris

2 posted on 09/12/2003 5:37:57 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: boris
Looks like they lifted the name.whats a few lines of code?

http://www.silicon.com/news/500022/1/1001454.html


Fri 3 July 1998 12:39PM BST

Microsoft settles Internet Explorer lawsuit
Microsoft has avoided a costly court battle over its right to use the term "Internet Explorer" as the trademark of its Web Browser. SyNet, the now-defunct software company which had previously registered the term and released product under the name, agreed to settle out of court for $5m (£3.1m).

The Patent and Trademark office at first allowed Microsoft to use the term, but subsequently reversed its decision. SyNet founder, Dirhen Rana, accused Microsoft of forcing his company into bankruptcy, and has seen most of the settlement fee go to creditors and lawyers. He is now working for Netscape.

Microsoft claims the settlement vindicates its argument that Internet Explorer is a generic term and cannot be trademarked. The company maintains that it was open to resolving the issue without resorting to litigation from the start. "It appears events in court helped achieve a settlement which is in the best interest of all parties," said a company spokeswoman.

John Moroney, Ovum's principal consultant for new media, disputed Microsoft's claim. He said: "Microsoft got dragged into court again. It probably had to pay its own legal fees and is looking at a loss in excess of what it paid out to settle."

Neither is Moroney sympathetic with Rana's case. "It sounds as if SyNet's claim was not rock solid. It may not be fair, but that's life," he said.


Julian Goldsmith Copyright © 2003 CNET Networks, Inc.
3 posted on 09/12/2003 5:54:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: boris
Microsoft never buys what it thinks it can steal, and they've still got a few doorknobs to rattle.
4 posted on 09/12/2003 5:54:31 PM PDT by per loin
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Pathetic.
5 posted on 09/12/2003 7:28:23 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: per loin
I don't think this is about code... it's about Eolas having a patent on "plugins"

From their site:

The Web Application Platform
Distributed hypermedia method for automatically invoking external application providing interaction and display of embedded objects within a hypermedia document

U.S. Patent 5,838,906, Filed in October, 1994, Issued November 17, 1998
Inventors: Michael D. Doyle, David C. Martin and Cheong Ang

First demonstrated publicly in 1993, this invention lifted the glass for the first time from the hypermedia browser, enabling Web browsers for the first time to act as platforms for fully-interactive embedded applications. The patent covers Web browsers that support such currently popular technologies as ActiveX components, Java applets, and Navigator plug-ins. Eolas' advanced browser technology makes possible rich interactive online experiences for over 500 million Web users, worldwide.

And I would guess depending on how it turns out with MS, it they will move down the line, AOL, Netscape and so on....
6 posted on 09/12/2003 8:37:36 PM PDT by Nouge
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To: Nouge
I hate microsoft more than your average bear, but this is just stupid. The U.S. Patent office is out of its freaking mind. This is yet another example of how insane both our patent and legal systems are.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 9:25:48 PM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/ Now Version 1.4!)
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