CA: GOP faithful to push McClintock to quit

Sac Bee ^ | 9/12/03 | Alexa H. Bluth

[Reagan Man]

This is all about sticking by your principles

>>>I agree. Totally. It's all about selfish pride and not caring who is elected whatsoever.

My friend, the people who are so willing to set aside their principles and surrender their conservatism, in order to elect a liberal like Arnold to office, are the ones who don't care about the future of California. Winning at all costs, now that's selfish pride!

[varon]

"Almost all of us are closer to McClintock in ideology than Schwarzen-egger, but we lost every election last time, and we ought to learn something from that," said James DeMartini, central committee chairman for Stanislaus County and a member of the party's executive board.

If Mr. DeMartini would just listen to his own words, he'd realize that 2 out of the top 3 contenders, Bustamante and Schwartzenneger are Democrats regardless what self proclaimed label Arnold has placed on himself.

Are they blind in the CA GOP hierarchy? Can't they see Arnold surrounded and advised by liberals and members of the Kennedy political mafia family?

The Democrats once again prove that they can outthink and outmaneuver the old Pubie putzes. The Rats are in a win-win situation. If the recall is voted down, their man Davis stays in power.
If the recall succeeds and Bustamante wins, they still have one of their own in power.
Should the Ahhnold win, they again have a liberal in power with an R for his party designation, big deal.

Now it appears that the Rats want to wrap this up with behind the scenes clandestine support of McClintock withdrawal.

Sometimes it make one wander how the Republican party can justify its existence.

[Afronaut]

Supporting a candidate with life long beliefs as the ones you posted shows how sad some Freepers have become. After the last years they have learned nothing. The promotion of such ideals should be enough to bring shame to any patriot.

But the promotion of a Liberal continues.

Anyone that says to the world that his hero is Warren Buffett belongs with the Rats.

[pgkdan]

... GOP faithful to push McClintock to quit

Isn't that oxymoronic? How can one be a GOP faithful while urging the only GOP candidate in the race to quit?

[RogerWilko]

I guess Arnold voting for 187 was pro-illegal, hmmm... very interesting! I'm starting to think that alot of people just like to lose! Never heard of taking one step at a time, it's either all or nothing.

[Reagan Man]

Yes indeed. Its bad enough that so California Republicans have become fascinated and infatuated with Arnold's campaign. But its down right disturbing to see 40% of FreeRepublic's so-called conservative members, support and condone the liberal values and the liberal policies of Arnold for governor. Freerepublic is suppose to be the premier conservative website on the internet. Lately, that distinction is being challenged by people with highly questionable conservative credentials.

[Bryan Resheske]

Very true.

What is to be gained by sending a Democrat with an (R) by his name to sit behind the wheel when his Leftist policies sink the state of California?

Does anyone think the media is going to attribute the fall correctly to the Democrat Governor, the 2 Democrat State Senators, the Democrat Assembly...

and the Leftist Policies of Governor Arnold?

No, it will be a "Republican" in office as the state goes down. A very high-profile "Republican" at that.

Why does anyone want that kind of negative PR?

McClintock is making good momentum and is the only true choice for growth, streamlining government and rescuing this state.

He has vision, a detailed plan, and the passion to be a great example of Conservatism in action.

[BigBobber]

You should compare Arnold's positions with what Ronald Reagan did in office.

While Reagan was governor, did he end abortion? Did he seal the borders against illegal aliens? Did he end the social welfare system? Did he institute a color-blind government? Did ne get oil contracts off the California coast or in ANWR (which BTW is in Alaska). As president he did not evenend the DOEducation, as he promised to do if elected.

Either Ronald Reagan must have been an abject failure in your view, or you are applying unrealistic standards to current candidates. McClintock may have good ideas that we all agree with, but he cannot implement them. Period. He can't do it.

Arnold has the right ideas on all the issues where he will have an impact. That's in the area of state spending and taxation. You want to get worked up about abortion, go ahead. But first look at what your namesake was able to accomplish during a long and successful career in politics.

[pgkdan]

No one is saying that the situation in California tends to favor conservative Republicans, but supporting Arnold is nothing more then caving in to your principles. Republicans shouldn't be voting for liberals. That's a defeatist position.

Amen brother. I'm from VA and can't vote in this election. I have no heartburn with Republicans who want to vote for Arnold...but I do wonder about the principles and the integrity of those who call themselves Republicans who are trying to strong-arm the only genuine conservative Republican running into quitting the race.

Tom McClintock met the requirements to get on the ballot and he deserves the chance to campaign and make his voice heard.

[Marysecretary]

I don't live in CA and don't have a horse in that race, but Arnold scares me a bit. He doesn't seem to have any solutions to the problems in CA. He's a popular guy and he's probably a pretty good Joe, but as a Republican and a conservative myself, he just doesn't cut it for me. I don't know what the solution is in a case like this. If I were a Californian though, I would vote for McClintock because his values most closely parallel my own.

[Marysecretary]

I don't live in CA and don't have a horse in that race, but Arnold scares me a bit. He doesn't seem to have any solutions to the problems in CA. He's a popular guy and he's probably a pretty good Joe, but as a Republican and a conservative myself, he just doesn't cut it for me. I don't know what the solution is in a case like this. If I were a Californian though, I would vote for McClintock because his values most closely parallel my own.

[pgkdan]

All of these Freepers salivating at the thought of an Arnold (R) governorship ought to take a few minutes and study the situation in NYC with Bloomberg (R) as mayor.

[Reagan Man]

>>>You should compare Arnold's positions with what Ronald Reagan did in office.

First off, I know the Reagan record like the back of my hand. You're way off base. Ronald Reagan had a political career that transcended his Califonria governorship. Reagan was a conservative. Arnold is a liberal.

And besides, this isn't 1966. Its 2003 and the problems and troubles that plagued California in the 1960`s, when Reagan ran for governor, has nothing to do with todays situation. There may have been some similarities, but there are few actual parallels. In 1966, California's economy was in poor shape. Today, California's economy is in total meltdown.

>>>Arnold has the right ideas on all the issues where he will have an impact.

Arnold is a liberal. Reagan was a conservative. Any comparisons between the two is a brutal outrage and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Tom McClintock is a Reagan conservative and would make a fine governor. Except the California GOP has lost its focus and has decided, setting aside their principles and surredering their conservatism to elect Arnold, is better for Califonia then fighting for the candidacy of Tom McClintock.

>>>You want to get worked up about abortion, go ahead.

Well, I do get worked up over the ending of 43 million human lives since 1973. And so did Reagan. If you read "Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation", you'd understand where Reagan was coming from. Reagan's post Roe v Wade position on abortion is what counts today. Arnold favors abortion on demand. That's not a conservative position nor does it agree with the GOP platform.

[Afronaut]

"support and condone the liberal values and the liberal policies of Arnold for governor."

And support him blind on his plans once he is in office. They bought the icing without trying the cake.

Freepers no less.

Which makes the whole situation totally supernatural. As an Actor, he is playing the role of his life and without the make-up, he is looking very ignorant to me. He is all buzz words and well written sentences that cannot define any position.

If he is not stopped right here, this infection of the left-wing will continue for years to come. He must be taken out right here.

[Marysecretary]

I don't live in CA and don't have a horse in that race, but Arnold scares me a bit. He doesn't seem to have any solutions to the problems in CA. He's a popular guy and he's probably a pretty good Joe, but as a Republican and a conservative myself, he just doesn't cut it for me. I don't know what the solution is in a case like this. If I were a Californian though, I would vote for McClintock because his values most closely parallel my own.

[antivenom]

California will not and CAN NOT turn from a "pinko leftist liberal commune" into a "normal society" overnight...and it will not allow for a "Conservative Republican" to take the helm...it will require an intermediate "liberal Republican" to put a new spin on what the "Real World" expects from California.

I agree...if McClintock (who I respect and support) doesn't step aside for the angry democrats and undecided moderates...he will hand the election right back to the demoncrats...

[ought-six]

"You know, there are a lot of things to be critical of with Arnold, but to just make things up which are not true and then throw them out is not good for Republicans (although it is typical behavior for DemonRats)...."

The proof is in the pudding, not in the label. Arnold is more of a Democrat in his philosophy and stances than he is a Republican, although he has a "R" next to his name. That is not meant as a criticism, just a fact. That said, he is still a far better choice than either Davis or Busta-Mecha.

[jmstein7]

All in favor of just making that scumbag "Art Torres" (head of the CA Demonrat party) GO AWAY, say "Aye"!

I really dislike that guy, and if voting for Arnold diminishes his power, I'd say "go for it".

[muleskinner]

And too many wishy-washy types in California these days and here on FreeRepublic.

You're confused, as the only "wishy-washy" types are the ones wishing Tom has a chance. Let's recall the recent Governors of California - Governor Simon, Governor Lundgren...not to mention Senator Herschenson. Gee, a radio talk show host trying to get into politics. A guy who never had a business to run or meet a payroll, but he was "right" on all the social issues.

Real Winning isn't everything.

Another out-of-stater with a big "L" on his forehead.

At least not if it means electing a liberal Republican the next governor of California.

Conservative Republicans would be much better off if they quite letting "Hope" rule their heads. You can afford to in your state, others have to deal with reality. Politics is the art of compromise...that's why it's called politics, not religion.

[ought-six]

"Arnold's solution to illegal immigration is to obtain more funds from the feds to pay for these lawbreakers. He has no plans of stemming the tide of these third worlders, which is truly the greatest threat to our country. When I say threat I do not mean terrorist, although that is a concern, it is a threat to our beloved way of life."

How true. And I refuse to become a Mexican.