Posted on 09/12/2003 8:27:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
Edited on 04/12/2004 5:57:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
After weeks of pressure to drop out of the recall race, state Sen. Tom McClintock is about to feel the pinch in an unlikely place: a gathering of faithful Republicans who agree with him about issues and revere him as one of the party's truest members.
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Arnold is getting the best coaching that "his" money can buy. No doubt about it. But this isn't a movie roll and besides, Arnold wasn't a good actor, he was a good action hero in the movies. The roll of California governor doesn't call for an action hero. It calls for a real person, with a real plan and a serious understanding of California's current problems. Tom McClintock is that man.
>>> Politics is the art of compromise...that's why it's called politics, not religion.
Once you're in office, you can then face the realities of compromise and negotiation. First you have to get elected. Politics is the art of governing. You show the people what you have to offer, in the form of a poliitcal agenda and attempt to convince them you're ideas are the best ones available. Politics is also about winning and holding power, but not at any cost. If you're conservative Republican, not at any cost means, not at the cost of electing a liberal. And politics exists throughout all human relations. I suggest you take a class, or a course in political science and human relations and stop preaching to this conservative.
That's BS. Please list a few areas where they differ.
Bush is is to the left of me politically. So is Arnold. I voted for Bush because he was far better than the alternative, and I sensed that when push came to shove, he would do the right things. I have not been disappointed.
I get the same feeling about Arnold. He is not giving up $30M a year to be a panty waist in office. I think he will use the line item veto and the veto pen effectively.
Others may have a different feeling, and that's fine, but portraying Arnold as someone on the far left of the spectrum is just as bad as the Rats calling him a Nazi and a bigot. He is none of those things. He will be a good governor.
Again, this isn't about Ronald Reagan. Its about Arnold Schwarzenegger. But just for the record. Reagan gave the American people the 1981 Recovery Tax Act and the Tax Reform Act of 1986. They led to a two tier tax rate system of 15% and 28%. Reagan lowered the top rate from 70%, to 50% to 28%. This stimulated spending, investment and savings. The Reagan economic recovery plan for America, led to lower unemployment, infaltiona nd interest rates, which led to 17 years of real economic growth that lasted until the year 2000.
Reagan also agreed with the pro-life forces, which pushed every year for a right to life amendment to the US Constitution. In Reagan's day pro-choice was more accepted then the pro-life position. Today its gone in the opposite direction.
>>>Arnold is against PBA and for parental notification. Those are significant first steps.
Those are good positions to hold, but the truth is even more relevent. Roughly 95% of all abortions take place out of a personal choice and desire to end a pregnancy. Not for rape, incest or the life/health of the mother. That would be called abortion on demand and is something that Arnold fully supports.
"I'm for choice," [Schwarzenegger] said about abortion on Fox TV's "The O'Reilly Factor" in May 2001. "The women should have the choice. The women should decide what they want to do with their bodies. I'm all for that."
I explained earlier in this thread, that Arnold's political positions are not in line with the conservative agenda of the GOP party platform. Like I said, "Arnold hired a BIG-TIME liberal Democrat, to test the waters for increasing California property taxes and promptly got his head handed to him on a silver platter". And you know it too. Don't act naive and don't play dumb with me.
I can't really follow it and it makes little sense.
If you followed California politics, it makes sense. And, by commenting on the race, I would assume you to have some idea who is and is not electable in this state. And the alternatives, i.e. Bustemonte, Huffington, the green party.
I take it by the remainder of your comments you would not mind seeing Bustemonte as Governor of a state you don't live in.
You ought to take a class in reality, and stop wishing for the long-shots to win. You will soon lose all your money, but you still have your pride.
You do realize there are millions of conservatives that live in New York. Right? Do you know that NY has the largest Conservative Party in the entire nation? I've been gone from the Big Apple for 27 years and have lived in conservative southern Colorado since then. But I've always been a conservative and a loyal Republican.
With California being so screwed, I wouldn't be so quick to condemn a Coloradan who has his head fixed on his shoulders, the "right" way.
I wouldn't call electing a liberal (RINO) Republican like Arnold, governor of California, to be a sign of intelligence. Political arrogance and wilful ignoance may be, but never intellignce.
It's a sad state of affairs. I'm not claiming Tom McClintock is the next Reagan, but in the long-term he certainly stands a better chance of helping the GOP.
That is, a better chance than Arnold. A poor turn of phrase on my part...
McClintock is more like Reagan. Conservative brothers in arms.
Arnold is more like Bubba (Clinton). Liberal brothers in arms. i know thats a low blow, but... the objective of conservatisim is to triumph over liberalism. The goal of the GOP is to win elections. Californian's have a serious problem facing them and so far, they've shown no willingness to stick by their conservative principles and follow the "Reagan man" in this race, Tom McClintock. They prefer to follow the liberal like Arnold.
Do you know that NY has the largest Conservative Party in the entire nation?
Jeez, is that something to be proud of, considering? Are they a more pragmatic bunch and get behind the best candidate, or do they give him/her the "true believer" test? Or, do they just get clobbered by the mass in N.Y.C. and surrounds? Sounds awfully similar to California.
If I lived in a state that had a fairly even democrat-Republican split, I could afford to be less forgiving.
I wouldn't call electing a liberal (RINO) Republican like Arnold, governor of California, to be a sign of intelligence. Political arrogance and wilful ignoance may be, but never intellignce.
I wouldn't call ignoance and intellignce, to be a sign of intelligence, either. Isn't skunk peeing fun? At least we voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole and Bush. Right?
And I didn't bring Reagan into this debate. If you look back, you'll see I listed the issues on which Arnold differs with the conservative Republican agenda of the GOP platform. You should take time to read them.
As for Arnold's success. Yes, he was a successful moviestar. He was a successful bodybuilder at one time too. And from what I've read he had business successes in his life too. But I think his role as action hero is long behind him and his foray into politics may be a move to enhance his status, as a pop cult icon and done to improve his standing with his adoring public.
>>>Jeez, is that something to be proud of...
Yes of course. I was a member for many years and upstate NY is very conservative. If it was the case in California, you'd be proud of it too.
>>>I wouldn't call ignoance and intellignce, to be a sign of intelligence, either. Isn't skunk peeing fun?
Skunk peeing! My typo errors aren't at issue here. Stick to the subject matter. Btw, what I really meant to say was:
"I wouldn't call electing a liberal (RINO) Republican like Arnold, governor of California, to be a sign of intelligence. Political ignorance and willful arrogance may be, but never intelligence."
>>>At least we voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole and Bush. Right?
How about, Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush.
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