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AFTER 12-YEAR STRUGGLE, MISSOURI SENATE OVERRIDES HOLDEN'S VETO TO PASS LICENSE-TO-CARRY INTO LAW!
Luke Skyfreeper reporting live | September 11, 2003 | Luke Skyfreeper

Posted on 09/11/2003 12:48:32 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper

The Missouri Senate has JUST NOW OVERRIDDEN GOV. BOB HOLDEN'S VETO OF LICENSE-TO-CARRY, by the narrow margin of 23 to 11!

23 votes were required to override, and we barely made it -- but we made it.

We were helped out in key swing votes by Senator Jon Dolan, who flew in from military duty in Cuba for this and the abortion override vote, and also by Senator Michael Gibbons, who voted against the original bill. No one knew until today how Senator Gibbons would cast his vote.

These are certainly not the only Senators who deserve to be thanked. Senator Harold Caskey, Democrat Senator from District 31, has swum against the tide of many of his colleagues to provide tremendous, courageous leadership in this issue. Senators Peter Kinder and Sarah Steelman also come to mind as prominent supporters. And those who passed the override in the House deserve to be thanked as well, because without them we would never have reached this point.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
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To: BOBWADE
Why not just issue an executive order clarifying the legal definition of "Militia" and later getting a federal concealed carry laws on the books. The second amendment clearly protects individual rights but the "Militia" reference is where liberals try to devine a different meaning. Clarification on this might give legal defense of laws giving concealed carry rights to this class defined as "militia".

Makes sense to me.

141 posted on 09/12/2003 3:53:28 AM PDT by zip
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To: Badray
How much training does anyone need do deal with that?

I have seen a couple of clips to pilot "training" on TV and am disgusted. As a trainer my self, I am of the opinion that the Fed program will get pilots killed. I see shooters moving down a simulated aisle banging away at a target(s) at the end of the aisle. Kind of neat in an action pistol competition concept but likely to be very non productive for a pilot defending his air craft. If it costs $6,000.00 for this kind of training, I am in the wrong racket.

142 posted on 09/12/2003 4:04:36 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
A long hard fight. You won!

Congratulations.

143 posted on 09/12/2003 4:27:28 AM PDT by LibKill (Despite 'the late unpleasentness', Southerners are as patriotic Americans as you can find.)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Thanks. Why am I not surprised the No votes were from St Louis, KC and Columbia?
144 posted on 09/12/2003 6:44:13 AM PDT by barker (Still believe in my KC Royals. Randa's rockin')
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To: CDHart
This is good, but as a Missourian, I can't say our constitutional rights have been upheld. We still have to jump through a lot of hoops to have our "right" become legal.

Carolyn,

You obviously weren't among those who have fought this battle, long and hard, week in and week out, for the past twelve years.

And when I say "week in and week out, for the past twelve years," there are literally people who did that.

This is not a moment for complaining about what we don't have. This is a "free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, free at last!" kind of moment. I can't tell you what a miracle it is that we actually achieved license-to-carry in the State of Missouri over Governor Bob Holden's veto.

At the beginning of the year, after 11 years of struggle, no one really gave those who were fighting for this a snowball's chance in hell of even getting a bill out of committee. I personally know people who fought on anyway, in the face of seemingly impossible odds. Their goal was just to get a bill on the governor's desk, all the while knowing that it was virtually certain to be vetoed, and all the while knowing that a veto override would almost certainly fail.

Until yesterday, there had been a grand total of 3 governor's vetos overridden in the State of Missouri in the nearly 150 years since the Civil War.

If you're so concerned about what we don't have, then why don't you get involved? May I suggest that joining Second Amendment Sisters would be a good place to start. SAS is active now in the State of MO, and you can contact the MO state Second Amendment Sisters coordinator at mo_coord@2asisters.org.

Or are you the kind of person to sit and let others do all the work, and then complain that they haven't served you up enough on a silver platter?

In fact, I dare you to get involved.

I'm sorry if this sounds a little bit harsh, but you come across as if you really have no idea of the enormous sacrifices that others have made to gain you the freedom to legally carry a concealed defensive weapon in Missouri.

145 posted on 09/12/2003 7:44:03 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: LibKill
That is good news.
146 posted on 09/12/2003 9:00:02 AM PDT by ClaireSolt
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To: LibKill
That is good news.
147 posted on 09/12/2003 9:00:02 AM PDT by ClaireSolt
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To: CDHart; Luke Skyfreeper; basil
And if you donate to the cause, you can get a really cool coffee cup out of the deal.

Thanks again, Mari.
148 posted on 09/12/2003 9:13:50 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
"Or are you the kind of person to sit and let others do all the work, and then complain that they haven't served you up enough on a silver platter? "

I was part of JPFO, NRA, GOA, WMSA and the Missouri 51st Militia. I wrote, called, etc., wrote columns for WMSA and wrote and edited the Necessary Force newsletter for the 51st. I have been published by GUNS magazine, WOMEN & GUNS and Media Bypass. I was on a first-name basis with Aaron Zelman, Brad Alpert and even Kevin Jameson! I worked my you-know-what off for five years, calling and writing.

In 1998 I was diagnosed with lung cancer and given less than a year to live. Thanks to God, good doctors and a special diet, I'm still here, although I am not up to doing what I did in the political realm.

So don't presume to tell me how much work was involved, as I know how much work is involved. The fact STILL remains that we should not have to have permission from the state to exercise a right that is part of the Bill of Rights.

Carolyn

149 posted on 09/12/2003 9:40:50 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: Joe Brower
The possibility of Holden suffering any manifestations of high blood pressure such as a stroke are minimal,because he has minimal "gray matter"
150 posted on 09/12/2003 9:43:20 AM PDT by von Lettow
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To: Badray
Danke mein herr.
151 posted on 09/12/2003 9:46:23 AM PDT by von Lettow
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To: Chemist_Geek
Parks and public building prohibitions, however, are true BS, and are probably what Johnny Gage was referring to.
152 posted on 09/12/2003 9:46:55 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: CDHart
OK, I was wrong about you. My apologies, but I all I could go by was what was in your comment, and the way it came across.

I would like to publicly thank you for all of your hard work. I firmly believe that every Missouri citizen who has worked, now or in the past, to get us where we are today deserves every bit as much credit for the results as the effort they have put into it. You are one of the people who has gotten us to where we are today. This is your victory too. We did it!

The fact STILL remains that we should not have to have permission from the state to exercise a right that is part of the Bill of Rights.

I agree with you. Definitely. All I'm saying is, this is a miraculous victory. There will always be more to be done. But today, let's be thankful and celebrate what has been achieved.

153 posted on 09/12/2003 10:11:54 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: von Lettow
Hey, Holden has to have at the very least a medulla oblongata. That would be a good place to start.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

154 posted on 09/12/2003 10:14:17 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("History teaches us that man learns nothing from history." -- George Hegel)
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To: CDHart
And by the way, I'm glad you're still with us!
155 posted on 09/12/2003 10:23:09 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
"And by the way, I'm glad you're still with us!"

So am I! :^)

Carolyn

156 posted on 09/12/2003 10:24:50 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I looking into it now...but I encourage all freepers and Missouri freepers to start sifting through the stats on some of the anti's webpages, even copying the hole pages if necessary.

I think it will be good ammo against the anti's if we can show how violent crimes, rapes, and everything actually went down in Missouri from their own numbers. Before the anti's have a chance to change them. Who knows how much the statistics for 2003 in 2003 might be differenct from the statistics for 2003 several years from now.

I'd warn those freepers with high blood pressure to take the bench on this activity though, because I nearly make my heart explode when I read their crap.

157 posted on 09/12/2003 10:43:34 AM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: cmotormac44
You're right on the money. State to state reciprocity is the way to go. Keep the feds out of it.
158 posted on 09/12/2003 10:47:26 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
I haven't seen any of the film clips, only reports of the costs and after I posted I thought that some of you professional guys might mistake my disdain for the federal program for what you real guys do. I'm glad that you took it the way it was intended.

At 6K per, someone is making some pretty good money and someone is likely getting some undeclared income as a result of it. $6,000.00 is ridiculous.
159 posted on 09/12/2003 10:58:31 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: von Lettow
Ooops! I shoulda told you that I'm more Jewish than German.

LOL

No problem. I'm just glad that you are here and on our side.
160 posted on 09/12/2003 11:03:31 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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