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To: Iris7
Many are convinced that Arnie is, at most a drop of water and not a half gallon. In specific discussion of issues and not horse races (party affiliation alone means nothing), please explain why Arnie is a half gallon.

The Whigs and the Federalists are the predecessors of the GOP. Both went under when they refused to pay attention to the issues of the general public in favor of the monetary desires of their respective elites. If you like, you can also try to explain in terms of ISSUES not horse races, why McClintock, in your estimation is a Whig.

168 posted on 09/11/2003 1:16:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: BlackElk
Schwartzenegger can win against Bustamante with McClintocks' full backing to deliver the conservative vote. McClintock even with Schwartzenegger's full backing cannot win. The Left sees Schwarzenegger as one of them, but see McClintoc as a Neanderthal. So, if there is to be a Republican governer, his name will be Arnold. The issues, as you put it, boil down to doing what it takes to stop Bustamante.

McClintock is a Whig, by his beliefs. Limited, constitutional government, freedom of contract, and individual liberty restrained from license are the Whig basics. Big on industrialization, believed in "progress", moral, political, and religious as well as economic. Not "one man one vote" democrats, instead a property test for the franchise. John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith were Whigs, as were the fellows who suppressed the Highland Risings of 1715 and 1745. So was the Marquis of Lafayette, of Revolutionary War fame, later guillotined in France.

And that is the rub. The Whigs never evolved defences against the Left, and kept prattling on about limited government in the face of the Left's attacks. Lincoln attacked the Whigs, and installed a overpowering central government that ignored the constitution, and jailed thousands without habeas corpus. Wilson ratified the 16th amendment by fiat, as recent research shows that the 16th was never legally ratified, and installed the Federal Reserve Board. New Deal, Great Society, going off the gold standard in '73, then Carter and Clinton, and now big, big government "conservatives" in Washington. This is the world as it is, the Left has been winning steadily since about 1830. Read the Communist Manifesto. See how the program has come true in America. Whiggery has never been able to even slow this conquest down.

Jerry Pournelle says American Conservatives are Christian Whigs. He is right. Either Christ or Whiggery will have to go. I would rather loose Whiggery.

198 posted on 09/12/2003 1:49:53 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: BlackElk
Schwartzenegger can win against Bustamante with McClintocks' full backing to deliver the conservative vote. McClintock even with Schwartzenegger's full backing cannot win. The Left sees Schwarzenegger as one of them, but see McClintoc as a Neanderthal. So, if there is to be a Republican governer, his name will be Arnold. The issues, as you put it, boil down to doing what it takes to stop Bustamante.

McClintock is a Whig, by his beliefs. Limited, constitutional government, freedom of contract, and individual liberty restrained from license are the Whig basics. Big on industrialization, believed in "progress", moral, political, and religious as well as economic. Not "one man one vote" democrats, instead a property test for the franchise. John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith were Whigs, as were the fellows who suppressed the Highland Risings of 1715 and 1745. So was the Marquis of Lafayette, of Revolutionary War fame, later guillotined in France.

And that is the rub. The Whigs never evolved defences against the Left, and kept prattling on about limited government in the face of the Left's attacks. Lincoln attacked the Whigs, and installed a overpowering central government that ignored the constitution, and jailed thousands without habeas corpus. Wilson ratified the 16th amendment by fiat, as recent research shows that the 16th was never legally ratified, and installed the Federal Reserve Board. New Deal, Great Society, going off the gold standard in '73, then Carter and Clinton, and now big, big government "conservatives" in Washington. This is the world as it is, the Left has been winning steadily since about 1830. Read the Communist Manifesto. See how the program has come true in America. Whiggery has never been able to even slow this conquest down.

Jerry Pournelle says American Conservatives are Christian Whigs. He is right. Either Christ or Whiggery will have to go. I would rather loose Whiggery.

199 posted on 09/12/2003 1:53:07 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: BlackElk
My own imagination is largely historical. I have read a lot about past political struggles. One characteristic of politics throughout the ages is a list of demands that characterize a political faction. This list, amongst other things, contains politicians' promises and faction slogans. When you talk about "ISSUES" I hear you talking about a list of this sort. I try to keep away from sloganeering because I don't like it and believe it unproductive.
219 posted on 09/12/2003 11:39:04 AM PDT by Iris7
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