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Response to SCO's Open Letter
Linux Today ^ | 09/10/03 | Eric S. Raymond and Bruce Perens

Posted on 09/10/2003 3:53:22 PM PDT by Salo

Response to SCO's Open Letter Sep 10, 2003, 05 :30 UTC (0 Talkback[s]) (34161 reads) (Other stories by Eric S. Raymond and Bruce Perens)

[ Thanks to Gerry Tool for this link. ]

Mr. McBride, in your "Open Letter to the Open Source Community" your offer to negotiate with us comes at the end of a farrago of falsehoods, half-truths, evasions, slanders, and misrepresentations. You must do better than this. We will not attempt to erect a compromise with you on a foundation of dishonesty.

Your statement that Eric Raymond was "contacted by the perpetrator" of the DDoS attack on SCO begins the falsehoods. Mr. Raymond made very clear when volunteering his information and calling for the attack to cease that he was contacted by a third-party associate of the perpetrator and does not have the perpetrator's identity to reveal. The DDoS attack ceased, and has not resumed. Mr. Raymond subsequently received emailed thanks for his action from Blake Stowell of SCO.

Your implication that the attacks are a continuing threat, and that the President of the Open Source Initiative is continuing to shield their perpetrator, is therefore not merely both false and slanderous, but contradictory with SCO's own previous behavior. In all three respects it is what we in the open-source community have come to expect from SCO. If you are serious about negotiating with anyone, rather than simply posturing for the media, such behavior must cease.

In fact, leaders of the open-source community have acted responsibly and swiftly to end the DDoS attacks — just as we continue to act swiftly to address IP-contamination issues when they are aired in a clear and responsible manner. This history is open to public inspection in the linux-kernel archives and elsewhere, with numerous instances on record of Linus Torvalds and others refusing code in circumstances where there is reason to believe it might be compromised by third-party IP claims.

As software developers, intellectual property is our stock in trade. Whether we elect to trade our effort for money or rewards of a subtler and more enduring nature, we are instinctively respectful of concerns about IP, credit, and provenance. Our licenses (the GPL and others) work with copyright law, not against it. We reject your attempt to portray our community as a howling wilderness of IP thieves as a baseless and destructive smear.

We in the open-source community are accountable. Our source code is public, exposed to scrutiny by anyone who wishes to contest its ownership. Can SCO or any other closed-source vendor say the same? Who knows what IP violations, what stripped copyrights, what stolen techniques lurk in the depths of closed-source code? Indeed, not only SCO's past representations that it was merging GPLed Linux technology into SCO Unix but Judge Debevoise's rulings in the last big lawsuit on Unix IP rights suggest strongly that SCO should clean up its own act before daring to accuse others of theft.

SCO taxes IBM and others with failing to provide warranties or indemnify users against third-party IP claims, conveniently neglecting to mention that the warranties and indemnities offered by SCO and others such as Microsoft are carefully worded so that the vendor's liability is limited to the software purchase price, They thus offer no actual shield against liability claims or damages. They are, in a word, shams designed to lull users into a false sense of security -- a form of sham which we believe you press on us solely as posturing, rather than out of any genuine concern for users. We in the open-source community, and our corporate allies, refuse to play that dishonest game.

You invite us to negotiate, but you have persistently refused to state a negotiable claim. You have made allegations of a million lines of copied code which are mathematically impossible given the known, publicly accessible history of Linux development. You have uttered vast conspiracy theories which fail to be vague only where they are slanderous and insulting. You have already been compelled to abandon major claims — such as the ownership of SMP technology alleged in your original complaint against IBM — on showings that they were false, and that you knew or should have known them to be false,

Accordingly, we of the open-source community do not concede that there is anything to negotiate. Linux is our work and our lawful property, the distillation of twelve years of hard work, idealism, creativity, tears, joy, and sweat by hundreds of thousands of cooperating hackers all over the world. It is not yours, has never been yours, and will never be yours.

If you wish to make a respectable case for contamination, show us the code. Disclose the overlaps. Specify file by file and line by line which code you believe to be infringing, and on what grounds. We will swiftly meet our responsibilities under law, either removing the allegedly infringing code or establishing that it entered Linux by routes which foreclose proprietary claims.

Yours truly, Eric Raymond Bruce Perens


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: ibm; linux; sco
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1 posted on 09/10/2003 3:53:23 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Nick Danger; rdb3; Golden Eagle; Coral Snake
Paging Dr. Pengiun and other Interested Parties.
2 posted on 09/10/2003 3:54:22 PM PDT by Salo
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!

Got root?

3 posted on 09/10/2003 3:55:38 PM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: rdb3
Glad to see you aren't biased in these penguin pings. I actually like to switch between Gnome, Xfce and KDE. That's another thing wrong with Windows. One desktop is
Booorrriiinnnggg!!!!
4 posted on 09/10/2003 4:59:52 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
I stick with KDE because I'm too lazy to learn how to set up and use something less bloated, even though I would probably be much better off doing so.
5 posted on 09/10/2003 5:06:37 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Dimensio
Unless you are using one of the challenging distributions like Debian, Slack or Gentoo most distros will allow you to choose a desktop on login. Try looking at your graphical login box for this feature. Glad to be a helper here rather than a troll.
6 posted on 09/10/2003 5:13:26 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
Oh, it's not a problem of setting up the desktop. It's a problem with configuration and learning the nuances of the desktop once I'm using it. I'd probably find it easier if I tried...but, as I said, I'm lazy.
7 posted on 09/10/2003 5:15:14 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Salo
These ***** think they have the juice of the RIAA. But they don't.
8 posted on 09/10/2003 5:15:46 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Dimensio
Let's hope we DON'T see the former members of my ping list on this thread. I tried to start up a good post yesterday
about paying Darl McBride's phony "invoices" when PIGS FLY
and they come along and ruin it. I am really beginning to see that THEY are the cause of Linux and SCO posts turning into flame wars and name calling sessions and not the Linux People.
9 posted on 09/10/2003 5:27:53 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
Coral Snake you should be ashamed for what you are trying to pull. Take a look at this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/973863/posts
10 posted on 09/10/2003 5:56:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I'm not pulling ANYTHING. I just got "schooled" while you were doing whatever you do on the weekends by TechJunkYard and Liberal Classic that a lot of what I've written in there just might be WRONG!!! Needless to say I will have Mr. Robinson or whoever else moderates this site remove that from FR at his convienience.
11 posted on 09/10/2003 6:09:15 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
Gentoo will let you choose a window manager (/desktop) as well. You just have to build/install the choices you want, as well as the display manager that will let you choose.

Personally, I don't need them. I use my Linux systems via SSH 99% of the time -- only as file/web/mail servers. X is installed, but the only times I use that is with Xfree86/Cygwin on a Windows desktop.

12 posted on 09/10/2003 6:10:59 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Coral Snake
You might be able to get your past posts deleted, although I do not think it should be allowed and it is weak for you to even request it. Just do not go around saying that Golden Eagle is responsible for any flame wars when your very own posts were by far the most outlandish ever posted on the subject. That particular one was only 10 days ago.
13 posted on 09/10/2003 6:15:41 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; Coral Snake
.. your very own posts were by far the most outlandish ever posted on the subject.

That's why we just had to "turn" him.

You're next, Eagle. ;-)

14 posted on 09/10/2003 7:40:55 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: TechJunkYard
I just issued a formal apology by Freep Mail to Jim Robinson
for that article as well as for my other outrages from before last weekend.
15 posted on 09/10/2003 7:43:59 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Golden Eagle
And by the way I took responsibility for my own behavior in the that letter even though I said it was influenced by certain people here. Except to give some well deserved credit where it was due I did not mention any screen names involved out of CHRISTIAN CHARITY.
16 posted on 09/10/2003 7:47:40 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
That's cool. I do wish some of your former thread buddies would get the hint and tone down their anger and venom just a tad. Things would be a lot more fun around here.
17 posted on 09/10/2003 7:53:17 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: Coral Snake
So I guess this kind of stuff is just A-OK with you now:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/976122/posts

I hope hot. You couldn't have just completely given up on your principles, could you? Or has you and your new gang's hatred of M$ now trumped any former moral compass you may have had.
18 posted on 09/10/2003 8:04:34 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Coral Snake
Here's another article I just found I didn't even know about. Nice comments by the Freepers there, I'm far from alone on this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/978691/posts

But since you now support Red Flag, I guess you and your gang will all go attack them now.
19 posted on 09/10/2003 8:16:39 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Coral Snake
Let's hope we DON'T see the former members of my ping list on this thread.

I just arrived. Hope it doesn't ruin the OSS "love in" going on here.

20 posted on 09/10/2003 8:32:12 PM PDT by TheEngineer
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