[xzins]

Robertson was a bit overboard.

However, we're told that God establishes nations to include their exact times and locations. One would think He could be more or less pleased with any one of them.

And cause some to rise and fall, or stand by and watch as some take directions that 'cause them to rise or fall all by themselves .

[ArGee]

However, we're told that God establishes nations to include their exact times and locations. One would think He could be more or less pleased with any one of them.

We are also told that He will bless whom He will, and curse whom He will. He may bless a nation with which He is not pleased (such as Babylon) so that nation will be used as a weapon against a nation which He wishes to discipline (such as Israel). The situation is far too complex to make up magic formulae over (i.e. "We will continue to be strong as long as we bless Israel.").

IMHO: If G-d were going to judge anybody for the U.S. descent into the pit of moral relativism (read "immorality") it would be the Church, every single last denomination, not the government. With some magnificent exceptions, the Church has consistently failed to:

• Shine the light into the darkness.
• Study to show itself approved.
• Engage the culture where the culture stands from a moral high ground.
• Take up her cross daily for the sake of the unsaved.

Instead, she has preferred intra-denominational squabbling and modifying the Gospel to suit social norms in an attempt to gain market-share in the pews.

If you want G-d to save America (with apologies to FReeper John O.), pray that He will restore the Church. Shalom.

[Matchett-PI]

Other issues aside, stick with the subject. Do you agree with this statement:

"Now he [God] will withhold all blessings till this wrong is righted"