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To: MissAmericanPie
"Neither the congress or senate were presented with a full copy of the bill before being pressured to vote for it..."

I'm curious, I would like to know who came up with this claim. I looked up the US congress website and looked at the passed bills. They looked like they worked for 45 days on this Act.
Senate passed HR 3162, the USA Patriot Act on 10/25/01 incorporated with two early anti-terrorism bill HR2975 passed in the house 10/12/01 and S1510 which passed in the senate 10/11/01. Fiengold made three changes in S1510 which were approved by the senate on that same day. Provisions of HR 3004, the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act introduced 10/3/01 were incorporaated as Title III in HR3162.

Are you saying we have Congressmen and Senators who don't read anything that comes on their desk? I know they have staff and other's to assist them but it's hard to believe that our law makers wouldn't proof things before it was voted on... especially dealing with our national security.
75 posted on 09/10/2003 11:31:09 AM PDT by Milligan ((Freedom of information, look up US Congress web site.))
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To: Milligan
They had parts of the act, but not all of it. There was alot of complaining that the bill in it's entirity had not been presented. Don't you remember the recent passing of the package of 34 U.N. treaties regarding our resources that the Senate passed with a voice vote and claimed not to have read? Hannity on Fox News quoted the U.N.'s statement as follows: "Due to their urban sprawl and SUV's the citizens of the United States have forfited their right to control their resources, someone had to take charge."

Both houses passed NAFTA and GATT without a full study of either. I saw a reporter ask one congressman if he had read the treaty and did he realize that GATT contains language that over rules the Constitution, the congressman looked like a deer caught in the headlights and stammered that "No, he had no idea that passage was included and therefore would not vote for it". Who knows if he kept his word as these things are passed with a voice vote. I think more attention needs to be placed on this practice of theirs. Seems to me they all want to be holding the "plausible deniability" card in their vest pocket.

77 posted on 09/10/2003 11:55:25 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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