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To: Sandy
Some of us downwind of the Pentagon still remember the stench of the smoke in our nostrils.

The "Patriot Act" is not a threat to us, but it should be a threat to "them".

2 posted on 09/09/2003 6:42:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"The "Patriot Act" is not a threat to us, but it should be a threat to "them".

"us" and "them" will reverse themselves one day with conservatives becoming "them" and the liberals becoming "us". That is the day the Patriot Act will come around to be a problem in this country.
7 posted on 09/09/2003 6:46:43 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: muawiyah
The "Patriot Act" is not a threat to us, but it should be a threat to "them".

Well, I guess I shouldn't feel threatened then huh?

15 posted on 09/09/2003 7:00:30 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: muawiyah
I decided to look up Patriot Act 2 that was aborted in the draft stage. It's all legal mumble jumble but I sat down for fortyfive minutes and read the first 12 pages.

They write about foreign powers = international terrorism who want to bring harm to our shores. If you are a US citizen and if you decide to do something criminal - you are protected under the constitution. If your a foriegner and not a US citizen, your not protected under the constitution. So US citizens, if your worried about your e-mail and your right to privacy call the ACLU. Your a US citizen.

Terrorist organizations have used our legal system to their advantage by using our existing legal loop holes.
Legal loop holes are useful if your highly moblie with advance communications and knowing US laws. Our law enforcment agencies are technologically disadvantaged; they are trying to tackle international terrorism with telegraph wires, rotary phones and first generation computers!


Section 126 - Equal Access to Consumer Credit Report.

Did you know this?
Private business entities have a easier time getting into our credit rating because they have loophole; legitimate business needs. Federal agencies have a harder time getting into a foreign power=terrorist credit reports, they have to get a court order subponas for each place they intend to go: credit report agencies, suspect's creditors and the suspect's bank account. They wanted to create one subpona to do all three just like those private business entities who don't need one.

Section 128 - Federal government law enforcement agencies were able to get subponas for U.S. mail fraud but presently they are not allow to to get subponas for international terrorist activities happening our shores. I quess we can catch the terrorist when they do another 9/11.

Section 127 - Autopsy Authority. If a US citizen was murdered by a terrorist overseas, US authorities are not allowed to touch or pick up the body. They can't perform an an autopsy to see how the US citizen died and figure out who did it. Blast fragments could help to identify terrorist groups. Time and delays are on the terrorist side.

A federal judge can only issue out a search warrant for his district only. International terrorist used this loophole to freely move around our country to plot more terrorism. PA2 would allow a federal judge to issue a search warrant that would be good nation-wide.

After reading the first twelve pages, it sounds like commonsense to me. I think there is an active campaign to confuse the public and make them feel they are losing their civil liberites. Confusion helps the terrorist to continue what they want to do. To distory our way of life.
68 posted on 09/10/2003 7:57:05 AM PDT by Milligan ((Hey! Who are we to protect?))
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