Schwarzenegger brands Prop. 54backers as "right-wing crazies"

California Political News and Views | September 8, 2003 | Stephen Frank

[zbigreddogz]

Nice job taking his words out of context. That isn't what he said, and if you read the entire article, you know it.

[alwaysconservative]

Cool!

[carton253]

I'm beginning to worry for you... has the tar clogged your brain? LOL!

That quote no more says what you declare it says than the man on the moon.

Arnold is not calling Republicans "right wing crazies". He is saying that there is a perception that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies... that, in fact, is not true. What is not true... that Repubicans are right wing crazies.

I would have more respect for you if you didn't turn yourself into somekind of spin meister. You have enough good, strong points to make without turning into some kind of yellow journalist...

[alwaysconservative]

You nailed it. There are many steps between, "Well, I look at it differently, because of A, B, C and D. What do you think?" and "I think A, and anyone who doesn't is a sellout RINO non-Christian babykiller."

Good comments, and accurate distinctions. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[PISANO]

Well.......that eliminates me (if I was a COLEEFORNEEAN) and this statement and position probably ensures his defeat. He doesn't really want the job anyway. What is truly appropriate is that CA is about to have a 'racist' minority as it's governor.

[Registered]

Let's be intellectually honest here...if Arnold examined FreeRepublic on a daily basis for let's say..um, a week or two...we might agree with what you believe Arnold has concluded, that 20-25% of Republicans on FreeRepublic are right wing crazies!

(btw, you never answered me on your poll thread about why you cared about polls? smile.)

[Sabertooth]

That quote no more says what you declare it says than the man on the moon.

Arnold is not calling Republicans "right wing crazies". He is saying that there is a perception that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies... that, in fact, is not true. What is not true... that Repubicans are right wing crazies.

No, he was contrasting the 20% to 25% of the California GOP who he says are conservative, to the rest of the party, who he says are not "right wing crazies."

"There is a perception out there that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies -- that, in fact, is not true." ~AS

He is saying not all Republicans are right wing crazies, leaving by default the original 20% to 25% against whom he contrasted the majority.

If he meant to say no Republicans are right wing crazies, then there was no need for the contrast he made.

Along with the National Review report, we now have two quotes from Arnold referring to some potential supporters as "right wing crazies."

Let me know when you see the appropriate damage control from his campaign staff, setting all of this stuff straight.

[Sabertooth]

(btw, you never answered me on your poll thread about why you cared about polls? smile.)

Someone, and I can't recall who, had mentioned the absence of pollsa few days earlier, and referred to that absence as "the dog that didn't bark."

It rang true for me, as I'd been looking for the polls to no avail. Since that is one of the usual ways of observing campaign horseraces, the longer we went without a pole, the more unusual the absence appeared.

I became curious, wondered if anyone else was too, so I posted the thread to that effect.

[carton253]

Sabertooth... you are splitting hairs and spinning this quote to fit your agenda. Shame on you! LOL!

The quote has Arnold saying that there is a perception that 20-25% of registered Republicans are right-wing crazies. That is not true.

I expect better of you because you are an honest poster. Honest in your beliefs and the portrayal of those beliefs - uncompromising too, which I admire greatly.

You can make your case against Arnold without misquoting him here as you are doing.

[ambrose]

Bump!

[XJarhead]

Thanks. I don't have as much of a problem with someone who states, in a rational manner, that Arnold is too liberal for them on a bunch of issues. Even if that means that Busta wins. What I can't stand are the frothing at the mouth types on either side who use the wacky fonts and/or name call. Are those people posting purely for self-gratification, or because they are interested in discussing the issues?

[carton253]

The quote has Arnold saying that there is a perception that 20-25% of registered Republicans are right-wing crazies. That is not true.

I misquoted your misquote... LOL... that's what I get for doing two things at one time.

The original quote on your orignal post does not have Arnold defaulting 20-25% of the Republicans as rightwing crazies. It takes some Clintonesque spin to get Arnold to mean that...

[ambrose]

California has a line-item veto, which means the governor can veto out any "pet project" backed by the Rat Leaders.

[BibChr]

<< Are those people posting purely for self-gratification, or because they are interested in discussing the issues? >>

Uh, I pick.... A!

Dan

[CheneyChick]

What I can't stand are the frothing at the mouth types on either side who use the wacky fonts and/or name call.

Nice description. They have no idea how much they are *helping* me make my decision.

Cheers, CC :)

[Sabertooth]

The original quote on your orignal post does not have Arnold defaulting 20-25% of the Republicans as rightwing crazies. It takes some Clintonesque spin to get Arnold to mean that...

Let's try this again...

Although his positions on such issues have nothing to do with ending the state's financial crisis, which Schwarzenegger has said would be his main concern as governor, they are important because they could help him gain support from the conservative wing of the state Republican Party.

"Even within the Republican base, if you are talking about a closed Republican primary... they are no more than 20 to 25 percent of the registered Republicans. There is a perception out there that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies -- that, in fact, is not true."
LINK

Arnold's implicit conclusion here is clearly that while not all registered Republicans are "right wing crazies," some of them are... "20 to 25 per cent."

In other words, "not all" is not synonymous with "none at all."

The construction of his sentence, its context, and its subtext don't appear to me to leave any other interpretation.

[RGSpincich]

OK...where's your proof that Schwarzenegger was egged by a "right-wing crazy?"

It was a backshot, just like this thread.

[B Knotts]

Cute.

[carton253]

Let's try this again...

Uh, oh... the patient voice! LOL! Sabertooth is going to try to explain his reasoning one more time...

Well, the link you sent me to doesn't even have the quote on it...

The quote that you made all pretty trying to make your point uses the word they... "Even within the Republican base, if you are talking about a closed Republican primary... they are no more than 20 to 25 percent of the Republican party. But there is nothing attached to the they... sorry, but it is true. It is ambigious at best... and clearly lacking definition. Not on Arnold's part. The ellipsis shows me that he described the they... it has been conveniently left out.

Arnold goes on to say...There is a perception out there that all registered Republicans are right wing crazies -- that, in fact, is not true."

So all registered Republicans are not right wing crazies even though the perception of them is that they are all crazy...

Since the they is ambigious, you have taken the they and made it say that 20 - 25 percent of registered Republicans are right wing crazies.

But that's not what it says...

Please post the rest of the sentence (the stuff that ellipsis takes the place of) then we will know who the they are and what has been said about them. <

[Sabertooth]

Please post the rest of the sentence (the stuff that ellipsis takes the place of) then we will know who the they are and what has been said about them.

Are you saying that the ellipses distorted the meaning of the quote?

Do you have another version of it, without the ellipses?