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Whatever happened to the Kiwi bloke? [NEW ZEALAND]
The Sunday Star-Times [New Zealand] | September 7 2003

Posted on 09/08/2003 5:53:20 PM PDT by shaggy eel

Youth Affairs Minister John Tamihere has marked Father's Day by lashing out at how Kiwi blokes are treated in today's society, saying men are becoming too scared to act like men.

And the father of five says there is nothing wrong with men leaving the toilet seat up.

Tamihere said he was seriously concerned at a cultural creep that had left men too scared or embarrassed to exercise their manliness, such as going for a beer with their mates.

A more sinister result was there was too much suspicion cast over men in matters such as marriage breakups, child custody rights and allegations of impropriety.

"Basically I'm sick of men having to apologise for having a penis," he told the Sunday Star-Times.

"Look at what goes on in the family court, that is a system that always presumes the man is guilty.

"When it comes down to making a call between a mother and a father you know the odds are going to be stacked against the man."

On a lighter note, Tamihere said men should have the right to leave the toilet seat up at home.

"There's nothing wrong with that at all . . . it makes it's easier to clean," he said.

"And I'm told it gives the house better feng shui."

Tamihere said it was important to note on Father's Day that some fathers were forced away from their children and were allowed only supervised contact with their kids.

"You know mum's going to get custody and the guy ends up being supervised by some geek who doesn't have kids."

Tamihere said Kiwi blokes were largely good men and good dads, but social pressure stopped them from exercising their manliness.

"I'll give you an example: I don't go to nightclubs much these days, but when you do, you see a woman grab a guy's arse and she's called `assertive' - if a man does it he's a `sexual harasser'.

"The first thing we have to address is that there's something wrong there. Maybe the problem is men bunker down, they don't talk about things that affect them. Women talk."

Tamihere said he expected some people would take offence at his comments, but he wanted to spark debate: "I'm not anti-feminist, or anything like that. I'm just being pro-male."

Asked who he thought were good fathers, Tamihere cited former sportsman and TV star Matthew Ridge and All Black prop Kees Meeuws.

"With Matthew, sure his marriage didn't work out, and that's not uncommon these days, but he tries, he makes an effort to be with his kids.

"With Kees, he's got five kids and he's just a great dad."

Tamihere said cultural creep had invaded everyday life, whereby men had to ask permission to enjoy a beer with their mates.

"Nowadays you've got to get a late pass from the wife and a long leash. There's something not very healthy about that."

The youth affairs minister has five children, aged between two and 17. In August 2001 he left a select committee meeting to be with his wife Awerangi when she had their fifth child.

Awerangi said her husband was good at some of the "softer things" of being a bloke and devoted a lot of time to his family despite his political commitments.

"He is quite clear what he wants to do on the work front and also making sure he is being supportive.

"He is able to do both well but it is not easy. He's quite strong on disciplining his diary and allocates full weekends to family and makes sure he has no political appointments whatsoever. He has a good sense of security and family."

While Tamihere said Kiwi men should assert themselves, his wife revealed he always put the toilet seat down.

"I've never said anything about it or asked him to put it down, it's just something he has always done."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: kiwi; newzealand
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John Tamihere continues to be a delightful thorn in the side of the politically correct Labour Party.
1 posted on 09/08/2003 5:53:22 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: New Zealander; Neophyte; Brian Allen; AMNZ; spitz
FYI
2 posted on 09/08/2003 5:54:37 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
"You know mum's going to get custody and the guy ends up being supervised by some geek who doesn't have kids."

LOL! Funny and sad. I guess things are the same all over the (Western) world...
3 posted on 09/08/2003 6:05:18 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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,,, wherever there's a family unit to be broken down, there's a willing Family Court to assist. A father is an acceptable loss to a family in New Zealand as far as the Courts are concerned.
4 posted on 09/08/2003 6:10:51 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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Same thing here.
5 posted on 09/08/2003 6:12:32 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: 2sheep; familyop; RogerFGay
ping
6 posted on 09/08/2003 6:12:55 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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Take the government, its courts and social tyrants, out of the child support collection and enforcement business, and much of the problem will straighten itself out.
7 posted on 09/08/2003 6:26:36 PM PDT by per loin
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"John Tamihere continues to be a delightful thorn in the side of the politically correct Labour Party."

...good work! I have one NZ man (Mark) helping with the
project to expose early feminism and another I forward
announcements for. ...good men.
8 posted on 09/08/2003 6:38:12 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Tamihere sounds like the perfect MP. If I get a license plate while I'm down there, can I get to vote for him?
9 posted on 09/08/2003 6:57:28 PM PDT by AMNZ
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"Basically I'm sick of men having to apologise for having a penis," he told the Sunday Star-Times.

*** I invite any single All Blacks team member to privately apologize to me. After seeing some of them practicing, I see lots to apologize for.
10 posted on 09/08/2003 7:00:31 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: per loin
BUMP
11 posted on 09/08/2003 7:01:49 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: familyop
,,, what Tamhihere's quietly saying here is that Helen Klark and her sisterhood are female chauvinist pigs. He's too good for the Labour Party. This isn't an isolated statement from him. He's put the boot into some of Labour's other policies lately. He's on his way to expulsion if he doesn't watch it - the thing that will save him is that he's a Maori and Labour is on thin ice with that voting segment right now.
12 posted on 09/08/2003 7:06:19 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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If I get a license plate while I'm down there, can I get to vote for him?

,,, wait until he moves to a decent Party. He's with Labour at present and voting for them is a no-no.

13 posted on 09/08/2003 7:07:41 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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A father is an acceptable loss to a family in New Zealand as far as the Courts are concerned.

Same thing here in Missouri, and in Maryland where I used to live.

14 posted on 09/08/2003 7:08:36 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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,,, you naughty girl! I'll broker scheduled "apologies" for a 10% commission.
15 posted on 09/08/2003 7:09:08 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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,,, as I've said before, the right wing is too comfortable. We need to wake up and take our countries back.
16 posted on 09/08/2003 7:11:20 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
this is in direct contradiction to my other post on the abstinence thread as well! ooops oh well... Sorry no disrespect to the Springboks (love you Cronje beard and all) but All Blacks have better legs :-)

BTW, I think that's nice he puts down the toilet seat for his wife. How many wives around the world wish their men did that?!
17 posted on 09/08/2003 7:14:33 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: shaggy eel
I like it!
18 posted on 09/08/2003 7:16:33 PM PDT by LibKill (Leaving the toilet seat up improves your house's feng shui.)
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How many wives around the world wish their men did that?!

,,, my mum taught me to do that from the time I started school. She also taught me to walk on the outside of the kerb when walking with a woman, push her chair in for her at a dinner table, close her car door for her etc. Real women know what this is all about and appreciate such things. I'm teaching the very same things to my ten year old son, but I'll do everything within my power to make sure he dates young women who are worthy of such courtesies without living his life for him.

19 posted on 09/08/2003 7:35:39 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Somehow macho men do not need to be whipped by their wives. They automatically know how to treat them right. Whenever a man holds a door open for me, I always issue a very enthusiatic 'thank you sir'. After they recover from being called sir and smiled at, they usually say 'you're welcome. have a nice day'. They walk away not having been run over by a feminist truck.
20 posted on 09/08/2003 7:39:29 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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