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Whatever happened to the Kiwi bloke? [NEW ZEALAND]
The Sunday Star-Times [New Zealand] | September 7 2003

Posted on 09/08/2003 5:53:20 PM PDT by shaggy eel

Youth Affairs Minister John Tamihere has marked Father's Day by lashing out at how Kiwi blokes are treated in today's society, saying men are becoming too scared to act like men.

And the father of five says there is nothing wrong with men leaving the toilet seat up.

Tamihere said he was seriously concerned at a cultural creep that had left men too scared or embarrassed to exercise their manliness, such as going for a beer with their mates.

A more sinister result was there was too much suspicion cast over men in matters such as marriage breakups, child custody rights and allegations of impropriety.

"Basically I'm sick of men having to apologise for having a penis," he told the Sunday Star-Times.

"Look at what goes on in the family court, that is a system that always presumes the man is guilty.

"When it comes down to making a call between a mother and a father you know the odds are going to be stacked against the man."

On a lighter note, Tamihere said men should have the right to leave the toilet seat up at home.

"There's nothing wrong with that at all . . . it makes it's easier to clean," he said.

"And I'm told it gives the house better feng shui."

Tamihere said it was important to note on Father's Day that some fathers were forced away from their children and were allowed only supervised contact with their kids.

"You know mum's going to get custody and the guy ends up being supervised by some geek who doesn't have kids."

Tamihere said Kiwi blokes were largely good men and good dads, but social pressure stopped them from exercising their manliness.

"I'll give you an example: I don't go to nightclubs much these days, but when you do, you see a woman grab a guy's arse and she's called `assertive' - if a man does it he's a `sexual harasser'.

"The first thing we have to address is that there's something wrong there. Maybe the problem is men bunker down, they don't talk about things that affect them. Women talk."

Tamihere said he expected some people would take offence at his comments, but he wanted to spark debate: "I'm not anti-feminist, or anything like that. I'm just being pro-male."

Asked who he thought were good fathers, Tamihere cited former sportsman and TV star Matthew Ridge and All Black prop Kees Meeuws.

"With Matthew, sure his marriage didn't work out, and that's not uncommon these days, but he tries, he makes an effort to be with his kids.

"With Kees, he's got five kids and he's just a great dad."

Tamihere said cultural creep had invaded everyday life, whereby men had to ask permission to enjoy a beer with their mates.

"Nowadays you've got to get a late pass from the wife and a long leash. There's something not very healthy about that."

The youth affairs minister has five children, aged between two and 17. In August 2001 he left a select committee meeting to be with his wife Awerangi when she had their fifth child.

Awerangi said her husband was good at some of the "softer things" of being a bloke and devoted a lot of time to his family despite his political commitments.

"He is quite clear what he wants to do on the work front and also making sure he is being supportive.

"He is able to do both well but it is not easy. He's quite strong on disciplining his diary and allocates full weekends to family and makes sure he has no political appointments whatsoever. He has a good sense of security and family."

While Tamihere said Kiwi men should assert themselves, his wife revealed he always put the toilet seat down.

"I've never said anything about it or asked him to put it down, it's just something he has always done."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: kiwi; newzealand
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To: cyborg
,,, and that's how it should be. Civilised.
21 posted on 09/08/2003 7:43:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
How about a link to the article?
22 posted on 09/08/2003 8:00:55 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: sausageseller
,,, this was sourced from the Sunday Star-Times via www.stuff.co.nz. I got it from a friend this morning and it shows as a "windows" file. I searched thru www.stuff.co.nz and can't locate it. Sorry, that's all I can do.
23 posted on 09/08/2003 8:10:56 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Keep up the good fight Shagster...First the toilet seats then the WORLD!
24 posted on 09/08/2003 8:20:16 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
,,, good on ya Feather!
25 posted on 09/08/2003 8:21:52 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel; familyop
<< Youth Affairs Minister John Tamihere's ... a Maori .... >>

Sounds to me more like he's a bloody New Zealander.

A Kiwi of the good old-fashioned kind who, Pakeha and Maori alike, were mates and cobbers of one another -- and of all other good men.

And were the bitter foes of all bloody mongrels!

Of all over-educated pseudo-intellectual thugs.

And of every other kind of self-loathing, envy-motivated, hatred and rage-engined, jumped-up poofter bastard.

Like the ones who now -- and until their every-bit-as psychopathologically-hesperophobic pals arrive from Peking to take over -- own operate and control new zealand's feral gummint.

26 posted on 09/08/2003 10:28:17 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
so tell me... how DO you feel on this issue? Don't hold back :-)

Can poofter bastard be synonymous with p-whipped bastard?

27 posted on 09/08/2003 10:31:23 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: sausageseller; shaggy eel
Here's the link: What happened to the Kiwi bloke?
28 posted on 09/08/2003 10:47:00 PM PDT by Mark Turbo (The saga continues.)
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To: cyborg
Nah.

It's Kiwi for Limey.

And/or -- among today's femmunist gang -- for "prime minister" and "chief justice" and guvvnah jennyeral and attorney jennyeral and stuff like that.

And like shirt lifter, turd burgler, mattress muncher and pillow biter.
29 posted on 09/08/2003 10:51:38 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
further expanding my lexicon of names to call liberals thanks to FR... thank you!
30 posted on 09/08/2003 10:54:40 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: Mark Turbo
Thank you!
31 posted on 09/09/2003 4:51:50 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: shaggy eel
You beauty
32 posted on 09/09/2003 12:50:21 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Mark Turbo
,,, hey Mark! Long time, no see. Thanx for locating and posting that link.
33 posted on 09/09/2003 1:48:01 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Brian Allen
And like shirt lifter, turd burgler, mattress muncher and pillow biter.

,,, Brian, you omitted "sh!t shunter", "dirt track rider" and "fudge packer".

34 posted on 09/09/2003 1:50:16 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Walkingfeather
,,, You Beauty!!! [LOL]
35 posted on 09/09/2003 1:51:05 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Cheers for the ping mate! Good article!
36 posted on 09/09/2003 11:03:13 PM PDT by New Zealander
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