[cajun-jack]

the main point is that the groups claiming to do the most for "us" says that a complete ban won't stop smoking. I agree wholeheartedly with that, but then they whine that it would take the money away from their stop smoking programs. If their programs were anybetter, would there even be a need for discussion on smoking in north dakota anyway?

[Gabz]

A couple of years ago a bill was introduced in Delaware to fine underage smokers. The current law just punishes someone who sells cigs to kids - it is perfectly legal for kids to possess and use tobacco, they just can't buy it.

The most vocal opponents were the same culprits as is the Dakota situation.

Everyone, including the tobacco companies, was in favor of it, until the charity cartel started whining it was fair to "punish the kids because they were addicts"