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To: anotherview
"What historical fact can you use to justify the Palestinians refusal to compromise and live in peace with Israel?"

Are you kidding? 800,000 Arabs were either expelled or left voluntarily in the war of 1948, depending on which authority you listen to. What is undisputed is that they were not given the right of all refugees to return to their homes and villages. Instead 400 Arab villages were deliberately bulldozed by Israel. Elsewhere in towns and cities Arab property was confiscated--and not a dime given to the true owners afterwards in compensation. Let's be fair here and not pretend Israel is blameless and is an innocent victim of Arab irrationality. These are a pretty poor and militarily defenseless people. They are using home-made bombs to fight a regional superpower.

46 posted on 09/08/2003 11:47:02 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I wrote: "What historical fact can you use to justify the Palestinians refusal to compromise and live in peace with Israel?"

Are you kidding?

Not at all.

800,000 Arabs were either expelled or left voluntarily in the war of 1948, depending on which authority you listen to.

770,000, but close enough. For every Arab that left Israel when the Grand Mufti told them to get out of the way of the conquering Arab armies who would drive the Jews into the sea, more than one Jew was expelled or persecuted and driven out of Arab countries. Most of these Sephardic Jews were resettled in Israel. Tell me this: Why didn't the Arab countries or the Palestinian Authority resettle their refugees as Israel did?

I'll tell you: they were forced, by their own people, to live in squalid refugee camps in order to be used as a political tool and to breed hatred. You know what, it worked. You've even bought into it.

What is undisputed is that they were not given the right of all refugees to return to their homes and villages.

Actually, in the 1950s Israel did have a program to allow Palestinians to return, mainly to reunite families. Most chose not to. So, your "fact" is not undisputed, sorry.

Instead 400 Arab villages were deliberately bulldozed by Israel. Elsewhere in towns and cities Arab property was confiscated--and not a dime given to the true owners afterwards in compensation.

Documentation please? Let's see some backup for this?

Let's be fair here and not pretend Israel is blameless and is an innocent victim of Arab irrationality. These are a pretty poor and militarily defenseless people.

Actually, the Arab people control 22 countries that have an amazing amount of oil wealth. They are poor because their leaders keep all the money and give none to the people, as is the case in most despotic regimes. Yasser Arafat's estimated net worth is US $11 billion. Tell me, how many refugees could he resettle with that money? In what kind of homes?

You are right about one thing: Arabs are not irrational. Far from it. They kept their own people poor and oppressed for political reasons and their tactics have convinced many around the world, including you.

Oh, and for defenseless people they are very good at blowing up a bus here, a restaurant there, a teen disco in Tel Aviv, filled with families and children.

They are using home-made bombs to fight a regional superpower.

Tell me, why did Israel become a regional superpower? Was it because of Arab benevolence, or was it because the Arabs attacked and repeatedly tried to destroy Israel?

47 posted on 09/08/2003 12:00:06 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: ultima ratio
"They are using home-made bombs to fight a regional superpower."

The same way their terrorist brothers used box cutters to take over our planes and crash them into our buildings.
Go peddle your bullsh*t somewhere else!

48 posted on 09/08/2003 12:07:00 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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