The 800 Pound Gorilla That Will Elect Tom McClintock

FreeRepublic.com ^ | September 6, 2003 | Avoiding_Sulla

[CyberAnt]

Sooooo .. are you saying a "precedent" has been set ..?? If so .. that makes Tom's chances of voiding the contracts even better.

[Carry_Okie]

Yes, it's a guess. Who would support such a lawsuit financially without an organized campaign? The "utilities lobbies" such as TURN have been totally highjacked by lawyers and moneyed interests. They now do more to prevent new the plant construction that creates the shortages that cause the high prices.

[Publius6961]

What more can Cruz do, that Gravis hasn't already done?

Two things that I can think of right off the top of my head, if it at all possible within the scope of human imagination:

First increase all taxes, particularly indirect ones, with no acknowledged upper limit. Keep your eye on the "Fiscal Responsibility Act" aiming at reducing the percentage of the legislature votes necessary for tax increases to 55%.

Second, keep increasing funding for everything presently in the budget, and keep adding "do-good" and "feel good" expenses to the enormous list.

In other words, keep increasing a bloated budget and forget about limiting the role of the State to those things we cannot do for ourselves. It should really be a very short list.

[CyberAnt]

Actually .. I love it!! It's challenging my knowledge of who I'm voting for and why I'm voting for him - and why their continuing drip, drip, drip of "unelectable" is causing me to harden my stance for McClintock.

Instead of discouraging me .. their unrealistic opposition has only encouraged me that I made the right choice of who to vote for.

[CyberAnt]

Sorry .. there's already legal precedent to support Tom's claim about the courts voiding the contracts.

As usual .. out of staters are wrong again!!

[Publius6961]

Where is McClintock in the polls now?

You keep your eye on the polls.

I'll keep my eye on the critical problems California has and how they might be solved. Identifying the problem is the first step in eliminating them.

Playing the popularity game is a good passtime for the clueless.

By the way, I have never responded to a poll with my true feelings. Exactly because the clueless rely so much on them.

[EggsAckley]

Well, I can see your point, but they just make me MAD. They're acting like DUers, like insolent little kids who threaten to hold their breath if they don't get their way. Ironically, I have to wonder what McClintock would think of it if he saw it. They're doing more harm than good. I DO know of several freepers who are just taking a time out from FR due to these guys; I took pretty much two days off because of them. It's just so tiresome.

Cheers!!

[truth_seeker]

"The only reason the moneyed interests, their media, and Pete Wilson's machine are afraid to beat Senator McClintock over his head with it, is either he is dead-on right, or they are waiting until October 5 to reveal how wrong he is."

The only reason nobody is beating McClintock over the head with it is he's in 3rd place. Nobody bothers with 3rd place.

The greater question might be: When will McClintock become a strong enough candidate, to wage an attack on the opposition party (instead of a fellow Republican)?

Another little idea to ponder: If a contract were "voided" both sides would be released from performing--no payments, and NO electricity. Comprende?

And then what kind of customer does California become, when major suppliers need to fear they will not honor their contracts?

[Publius6961]

(b) End up with a RINO who will be nothing more than a puppet for his Leftist advisors, the policies of which will bury California and, in so doing, blur the critical distinction between Democrat vs. Republican in so many voters' minds.

More to the point, Arnold will do exactly what Bustamante will do only slower.
There is something about a lingering death that doesn't appeal to me.

[deport]

is certainly an interesting tactic for convincing others to change their minds.

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LOL.... you maybe assuming too much. Changing minds may not be the objective at all.......

GO TOMMIE GO...............
30 Days till it's over.....
Or is it over now?.........

[Publius6961]

Issues? We dont need no stiiinkiiing issues

Right.

Just keep repeating the brainless and unproductive mantra:
What do the polls say?

D'OH!

[Carry_Okie]

McClintock is clearly the best candidate, but Arnold is tne most electable.

See Post 48.

That being said, there is no reason to believe that Arnold will not adopt the same position on the energy contracts if the position has merit.

Unfortunately, there is. Just what do you think Mr. Schwarzenegger was doing while he was raising buckets of money in New York, all the while disavowing himself of "special interests"? Investors are selling California those bonds. They also own utility stocks. Edison in particular, is positioned to play that crooked carbon credit scam through the World Bank (which is the answer to why John Bryson, founding lawyer of the NRDC, is Edison CEO and Davis' largest campaign supporter). You think these people are going to let a sweetheart deal like those power contracts slip out of their fingers when they can buy a candidate (of whichever party) to keep them in place?

You had to hear Arnold back during his bodybuilding days, talking about the mind games he would play on his competitors to put the psych on them. I remember in particular an interview he did with Johnny Carson just after he won the Mr. Olympia title (which I had seen). He is a shrewd manipulator, and thus, not an entirely honest man. I distrusted him then. I truly thought he was turning over a new leaf when he did Kindergarten Cop. I see now that nothing in his character has really changed very much.

Listen to his supporters. It's as if they don't remember what was said during Clinton's first campaign. "Character doesn't count."

Remember?

[CyberAnt]

You're comparing Tom to Nader ..?? How ridiculous a comparison. Nader heads a FRINGE group - conservative republicans are NOT A FRINGE GROUP. Your comparison is apples and oranges - and it just won't work.

Tom went from an asterisk to double digits in just 2 weeks - there's how many more weeks till the election ..?? And .. if the dems keep releasing the garbage films of Arnold - he could be in real trouble.

[Publius6961]

What an interesting argument. Vote for a loser and put up with the consequences, no matter what. NO THANK!!!

Fear is wonderful waker-upper, isn't it?

Good luck to you. You'll need it.

[DiamondDon1]

He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way.

In the end, he will lose.

That is also my asumption.

My other assumption is that legal debts must be paid off. There is no escape. There is no debt fairy.

While you both have points, my view is that after the contracts are voided, the energy companies will seek an injunction to test the California law on the merits of the 5 percent rule.

Meanwhile the bleeding has stopped and new contracts could be put into place. As Publius has said, we cannot recover (or it is extremely unlikely that we will recover) money already paid to the energy companies, but I believe that we can end the contracts (through the "void" provision) unless the California Law is proven Federally Unconstitutional...

IMO

DD, Official Tombot, Member VRWC

[Publius6961]

Gee.
Peple who disagree with you have the temerity to post?

How thoughtless of them!

Why don't you contact Jim Robinson and whine?

[old school]

Boy, did you nail that one on the Head! I wonder where Arnold stands on the matter of some pending gun-control legislation in the Assembly. Some Goof is proposing that gun manufacturers be required to devise a mechanism to indicate that a round is chambered in a firearm. That'll really drop the murder rate! And, it'll make the weapon child-proof, like a medicine bottle! I already know where McClintock stands!

[w1andsodidwe]

Fear is wonderful waker-upper, isn't it?

Maybe you need a reality check. Some of us do not want Cruz to be governor. I will do anything to prevent that because I care more about this state than about some idealistic political philosophy. I am a conservative at heart, but I also have common sense, something that seems to be lacking in the McClintock supporters. This is not a primary this is the real deal. primaries are where you vote philosophy, not general elections. Comprimise can be a good thing.

[old school]

Grass-roots is what made this Recall a reality!

[CyberAnt]

Well said, well said. And .. I couldn't agree more.

And .. I have this added info regarding Arnold's "after school plan":

"He lobbied for a before-and-after school daycare bill that was passed at an estimated pricetag of $500 Million per year"

And .. Arnold TOOK SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY TO SUPPORT THE REFERENDUM. Sooooo .. he says he won't take special interest money .. but he did before .. how do we know he won't do it again ..??

And .. THE TAXPAYERS OF CALIFORNIA GET TO PAY THE 500 MILLION TO FUND THIS PROGRAM .. ALL THE WHILE OUR DEFICIT INCREASES.