Bush on warpath over UN's shock report on Iran A-bomb (Dubya is Angry!)

The Daily Telegraph ^ | 09/07/2003 | Con Coughlin

[Libertina]

Why exactly is it OK for us to have, develop, manufactuer, and test Nukes, and it's not OK for other Nations to do so?
Because we said so. Which is a LOT safer than THEM saying they WILL.

[Poohbah]

BTW, #120 is a JOKE. (c8

[Zack Nguyen]

[Snicker.] I doubt Lord Baltar would go that far! There is little functional difference between Al-Qaeda and the Iranian government, from what I can see. One has the international "legitimacy" of being a "sovereign state" and one does not. But they are both thugs and both bent on destruction of the West.

[Radix]

so I'll stand in for him...

Are you prepared to be assaulted in diverse ways?

[Mind-numbed Robot]

So Bush and his Neo-Con handlers have been caught lying about Iraq having WMDS, and now they expect the American people to believe them and support an invasion of Iran. No thanks, find some other suckers.

Darn. With that attitude and degree of intelligence I thought sure they had found one in you. Finding one dumber will be difficult.

Yeah, yeah, I know, name calling. To that I add - stick it.

[Kozak]

We are not going to be able to keep this technology from speading to these rogue states. There is too much money involved, too many sources, too many people who have an agenda against us, too many nations and groups that understand that getting a Bomb makes any action against them way too costly to try. We need to secure our borders and ports of entry and get an operational missle defence in place. The rest of the world is going to have to look out for itself. God help Israel if the Iranians get nuclear weapons. These maniacs are willing to a few million casualties if it means they can exterminate the Israeli's.

[Pubbie]

I do my best.

:)

[APRPEH]

made this argument too many times to recall. and you are totally correct. however, maybe this opportunity will allow for damage control on the cred. dont expect israel to always have to save the world from itself. knocking out the major facilities would be a no stress operation for the b-2. GWB having the resolve to just do this w/o getting bogged down in another state dept/powell arabist mudpie in the UN (useless nations) with the euro-trash hankering for iranian rights to energy producing nuclear power is in doubt.

[atomic conspiracy]

"And this sort of Left Wing Name Calling tactic does what for the level of discussion?"

Can't speak for the original poster, but one thing it does is confront and defy the Left Wing tactic of language control as a device for manipulating discourse. It also summarizes feelings and beliefs for which the poster did, in fact, provide a rational defense. It is not like yelling "McCarthyite" or "racist" every time someone makes a point that you cannot address in terms of substance.

"Why exactly is it OK for us to have, develop, manufactuer, and test Nukes, and it's not OK for other Nations to do so?"

Did someone say that "other nations" should not have nuclear weapons? How did you derive this generalization from anything that has been said here? Truth is, it's a strawman because it misrepresents the opposing viewpoint.

I'm not sure how knowledgeable you are about history, but there is some precedent for this seemingly unfair and arrogant standard of ours. During the early 1940s, as you may remember, the United States developed an atomic bomb. This effort was successful, as every lefty knows even if he or she does not otherwise know what century these events occurred in, or whether Attilla the Hun was a Republican.

At the same time, National Socialist Germany, a sovereign nation whose scientists actually invented nuclear fission, also sought to develop a nuclear bomb. The United States and its allies, Great Britain and Norway, went to some length to sabotage and disrupt this program, including (oh, the horror) a mass bombing raid that killed a number of innocent civilians. Did we have the right to do this? Are you willing to take responsibility if an Iranian nuclear weapon goes off in New York or Chicago?

"But you still didn't explain this in such a way that didn't include editorializing.

Why should the poster not editorialize? Is this forbidden? By whom?

"So, what you're saying is that we are essentially the world's policemen, and that the rest of the world has to answer to us, or face a pre-emptive strike against them if they don't bow to our demands?"

He didn't say that....and this kind of demonizing authoritarian strawman contributes what to the discussion?

[Porterville]

Yes, but if we go to war with the UN we have to take out all of Europe. Who would take care of the clean up??? Oh, lets give Europe to the Soviet Union.... damn, Russia.... are there any facist regimes like Napolean who would take this stinky scum suckers???

[Radix]

We are not going to be able to keep this technology from speading to these rogue states...

That is exactly what we must do. That is what we are obliged to do. We simply must keep this technology from spreading to these rogue states.

We have no real choice, and money is no (or should be no) object.

The American agenda, must be one of containment. If a nation seeks to obtain nuclear weapons, they must be clear in the knowledge that they do so at the peril of their very existence.

What the heck is the problem with that notion?

What the eff? Are we supposed to allow these primitives to have their own nuclear version of our second amendment?

[APRPEH]

"So, what you're saying is that we are essentially the world's policemen, and that the rest of the world has to answer to us, or face a pre-emptive strike against them if they don't bow to our demands?"

We arent? could have fooled me? and if the US weren't, then who? and the world would be safer in your opinon my lord, if say, another country were to step into being #1. when in world history was there not a time when one or two or three countries didnt run everything? the world is safer with american policmen, period.. PARAPHRASING... Ronald Reagan (i cant imagine a world where america was not number 1)...

[cars for sale]

and the world will thank America for cleaning up Russia over this too...........hide and watch. Putin is good
for us and Russian democracy,the ole ruskies are the
remnant bad guys

[nuconvert]

Thnx

[nuconvert]

Lots of moderator action.

[rmlew]

Analogy:
It is ok for law abiding citizens to have guns, but not criminals.

[APRPEH]

U.S. WON'T REPORT IRAN NUKES TO UN

if this only meant that the B-2s were warming up......

[nuconvert]

"One has the international "legitimacy" of being a "sovereign state" and one does not. But they are both thugs and both bent on destruction of the West"


You got it, Zack

[Reagan Man]

... or let the Israelis do it ...

Been on the drawing board for years.