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To: donmeaker
arrogant,self-serving, ignorant, self-righteous, historically flawed,south-hating LIES repeated THREE (3) TIMES does NOT make those lies become factual.

PLEASE go do some research from origional source documents, rather than the damnyankee REVISIONIST drivel that you recite, and we'll talk.

free dixie,sw

974 posted on 10/24/2003 8:46:31 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
sorry about sending it 3 times. I clicked on the post button, and the computer froze. popped it a few more times, and darned if it didnt unfreeze, and send it 3 times.

Do you want links, or should I copy the documents?
975 posted on 10/24/2003 10:40:36 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: stand watie
you wanted some original documents. Here are the first few paragraphs from the Georgia Declaration of causes of secession. Now recall this is the fine southern gentlemen who, in their complaint state that the Republican party is an anti slavery party.

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

I figure this pretty much shoots holes in your position that the anti slavery notion began in the north after several military defeats, and in response to the potential of European intervention. The southern plantation aristocracy seems to me to have sensed the antislavery purpose in the Republican party before the war began.

I am waiting to hear your apology.


Georgia
[Copied by Justin Sanders from the Official Records, Ser IV, vol 1, pp. 81-85.]
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war. Our people, still attached to the Union from habit and national traditions, and averse to change, hoped that time, reason, and argument would bring, if not redress, at least exemption from further insults, injuries, and dangers. Recent events have fully dissipated all such hopes and demonstrated the necessity of separation. Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state.....
978 posted on 10/24/2003 11:05:28 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: stand watie
ok, I have demonstrated that Lee lived at arlington for 2 years, and controlled the estate as executor, having gotten a leave of absence to do so.

I have demonstrated that at least two of the states (and more but it gets so tedious) cited antislavery activity on the part of the north as the reason for their withdrawal. I have cited original documents.

So, the south did not begin the war for libery, but rather, for its opposite: slavery.

I am waiting for that apology.
980 posted on 10/25/2003 3:52:45 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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