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To: nolu chan
Many words. But the meat is
"The states, then, may wholly withdraw from the Union, but while they continue, they must retain the character of representative republics."

and

" If the majority of the people of a state deliberately and peaceably resolve to relinquish the republican form of government, they cease to be members of the Union."

And the majority of the people of South Carolina did not resolve to relinquish the republican form of government.

To be precise, the majority of the people were black, and their views were not even consulted by the southern plutocrats. Therefore they were still members of the Union, then, now, and I hope, forever. The rest of us need you to make a critical mass to lower taxes and roll back government corruption and largesse. In Union we may all be free, in separation, we become subject to Force Majure.
771 posted on 09/25/2003 10:42:53 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy, or is it monotony?)
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To: donmeaker
[donmeaker] And the majority of the people of South Carolina did not resolve to relinquish the republican form of government.

To be precise, the majority of the people were black, and their views were not even consulted by the southern plutocrats. Therefore they were still members of the Union, then, now, and I hope, forever. The rest of us need you to make a critical mass to lower taxes and roll back government corruption and largesse. In Union we may all be free, in separation, we become subject to Force Majure.

The majority of the black people were slaves and were not citizens of the United States or any of the several states in question. Your argument has great philosophical merit but zero legal merit. We are addressing the legal merits of a question.

DRED SCOTT v. SANDFORD, 60 U.S. 393 (1856)

The question is simply this: Can a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves, become a member of the political community formed and brought into existence by the Constitution of the United States, and as such become entitled to all the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guarantied by that instrument to the citizen?

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The words 'people of the United States' and 'citizens' are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe the political body who, according to our republican institutions, form the sovereignty, and who hold the power and conduct the Government through their representatives. They are what we familiarly call the 'sovereign people,' and every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of this sovereignty. The question before us is, whether the class of persons described in the plea in abatement compose a portion of this people, and are constituent members of this sovereignty? We think they are not, and that they are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate [60 U.S. 393, 405] and inferior class of beings, who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.

It is not the province of the court to decide upon the justice or injustice, the policy or impolicy, of these laws. The decision of that question belonged to the political or law-making power; to those who formed the sovereignty and framed the Constitution. The duty of the court is, to interpret the instrument they have framed, with the best lights we can obtain on the subject, and to administer it as we find it, according to its true intent and meaning when it was adopted.

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776 posted on 09/25/2003 11:29:54 PM PDT by nolu chan
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