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To: Paul C. Jesup
"--- the founders of this nation, whether they liked it or not, also signed off on slavery when they signed the Constitution (look up the '3/5 vote for a slave' in the Constitution).

They made a political compromise on slavery to accomplish union, expecting it to fade away in a republic. Wrong. -- Slavers did not want republican forms of government.

And not much have really changed, the country still has slaves, only we don't them slaves. They are either in the URBAN slums, harvesting votes or in the sweatshops.

Weird view, - you a communitarian?

And here is the true irony of the situation, this country is falling apart because of the socialism that Abe himself started the ball rolling on a little under 130 years ago. It is true poetic justice.

The concept of an 'all powerful state', one that can ignore our constitutions restrictions, has always been a product of the states rights movement in america. The socialistic politics of the early 1900's grew from that seed, -- and flowered in Roosevelts big government 'new deal'; which was bought to power by a coalition between leftist labor & states rightist political interests.

http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/ea/side/newdeal.html

59 posted on 09/07/2003 12:42:07 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
They made a political compromise on slavery to accomplish union, expecting it to fade away in a republic. Wrong. -- Slavers did not want republican forms of government.

Strange that the slave trade flourished Ancient Rome then.

Weird view, - you a communitarian?

No I am not. It is just that the welfare whores are nothing more the slaves to the state and the politians who 'harvest' their votes.

The concept of an 'all powerful state', one that can ignore our constitutions restrictions, has always been a product of the states rights movement in america. The socialistic politics of the early 1900's grew from that seed, -- and flowered in Roosevelts big government 'new deal'; which was bought to power by a coalition between leftist labor & states rightist political interests.

Technically, it was Clay who gave Abe the 'seed' and it was Abe who planted it.

62 posted on 09/07/2003 1:52:24 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: tpaine
Strange that the slave trade flourished inAncient Rome then.
63 posted on 09/07/2003 1:53:17 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: tpaine
The concept of an 'all powerful state', one that can ignore our constitutions restrictions, has always been a product of the states rights movement in america.

Meditate on that statement until you figure out how totally wrongside-out it is, then get back to us.

.....and flowered in Roosevelts big government 'new deal'; which was bought to power by a coalition between leftist labor & states rightist political interests.

The coalition was unnatural and ephemeral and dissolved almost immediately when FDR's political maintenance of it ceased with his death. The coalition was FDR's creature, as he recognized the need to keep the South in the Democratic Party, despite the Party's having been almost 100% taken over by urban ethnic liberals and socialists like himself in 1928, with the nomination of Al Smith -- a Tammany Hall urban Democrat, and Roosevelt's predecessor as governor of New York.

The needs, composition, and agenda of the Southern Democrats and the urban, Northern Democrats could not have been more different. Imagine a donkey and a cow split in two and one half of each carcass sewn to one half of the other, with the head of Bernard Baruch sewn on one end: that was the Democratic Party in the 1930's.

93 posted on 09/09/2003 3:38:10 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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