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To: sobieski
Lincoln, the monster converted the Constitution from "A pact with Satan" in that it permitted human slavery, to a document that removed the most serious flaw in the original Constitution. The United States was already united, as shown by the use of "perpetual union" TWICE in the Articles of Confederation.

Lincoln managed to accomplish this despite the greater readiness of the southern militia (the better to be prepared for slave revolts), the treason behavior of most of the United States officer corps, and the outright treason of the former Sectetary of War Floyd. When an officer is given special trust and confidence by the congress, he can not gain release of his duty and responsibilities by sending a "never mind" letter.

Linoln was right! The southern states gained their wealth in a system where their exports were protected by the US Navy, and the western states were created by the United States. For states such as Alabama and Mississippi to assert that they had collective rights before the Constitution is only something that would pass in a KKK dominated curriculum.

What was the alternative? Two nations, then three, then 12 endlessly subdiving through war after war like in Europe? Piracy and local bandits blocking all trade like in Mexico and Tripoli?

Let us remind outselves that these are not just historical questions. The same people who endlessly drag out issues solved at the price of treasure and blood, over 140 years ago, intend to get rid of states with which they disagree, so that may not be troubled to compromise or win elections of All The People. They image that if California could be devolved to Mexico, and New York and New England could be devolved to the Socialist Canadiens, then they could have the laws and leadership they desire. If they gained their wish, then the border wars would begin.

Slavery was the essential compromise in the federalist era. Its elimination was not easy, but was a worthwhile goal, necessary to build the nation.

If for every drop of blood shed by the lash, one must be shed on the field of battle, if the treasure amassed through years of bondage were to be sunk beneath the waves, still it must be said, "the judgements of the Lord are True and Righteous altogether."
30 posted on 09/06/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy, or is it monotony?)
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To: donmeaker
Lincoln did not have the right to end slavery through war. He could've used Constitutional means (buying the slaves or amending the consitution). He did not, choosing to turn the states into vassels of the Federal government. Before Lincoln, the Federal government was simply the agent of the states in certain enumerated ways: foreign trade, domestic trade, foreign affairs. Now we have the Federal cancer. We can't undo what the Tyrant did, but lovers of freedome need not lionize him.
34 posted on 09/06/2003 3:25:19 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: donmeaker
If they gained their wish, then the border wars would begin.

So to avert war, it is important to instigate war.

38 posted on 09/06/2003 3:34:22 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: donmeaker
The United States was already united, as shown by the use of "perpetual union" TWICE in the Articles of Confederation.

The Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union use the term "perpetual" 5 times, the Constitution none. When 9 states (less than the 13 legally required by the Articles) ratified, a new government was formed that did NOT incorporate the Articles nor state that it was perpetual. The 5 other states were not united, existing separate from this new union; the states of North Carolina and Rhode Island & Providence Plantations wouldn't consider ratification until a bill of rights had been added.

71 posted on 09/08/2003 5:03:47 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: donmeaker
what a piece of meaningless drivel & damnyankee propaganda.

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446 posted on 09/13/2003 10:35:20 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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