The Litmus Test for American Conservatism (The paloeconservative view of Abe Lincoln.)

Chronicles Magazine ^ | January 2001 | Donald W. Livingston

[stand watie]

once agin you're WRONG according to the curator of Arlington House.

as i said before call him and ask. you'll find you've been lied to & made a fool of.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

as the slaveholders never comprised more than 6% of southerners and their documents were NOT official documents, hardly anyone, north or south,either read them or cared what they said, an intelligent person must conclude that the cited documents were UNimportant to the causes of the war for dixie freedom. may i suggest that you do a search of my previous posts last year, to see the comments of academics, who are experts in this particuliar field.

i'm not inclined to retype all that data again.

in point of fact, the so-called "causes of secession" were "discovered" in the 1960s by the most hatefilled, arrogant & south-HATING revisionists out of the poison-ivy league.

in TRUTH, there was no discovery, as knowledgeable scholars had known about the documents for 130 years and DISMISSED them as the rantings of a few slaveholders.

such dismissal by scholars was CORRECT, imVho. had the few slavers published "mary had a little lamb", it would have been just as important to an understanding of the causes of TWBTS.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

since i regard you as both a remoseless liar, revisionist HATER & fool, i wouldn't hold your breath if i were you.

you'll turn blue.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

reference 983,remind self to not be so quick to hit post button. such speed isn't good for detecting spelling errors.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

the DAY BOOK of Arlington House lists every freeperson by each day, who was present on the estate & frequently datails of whatr they did each day.

sadly for you, it proves you are a LIAR and/or a FOOL. are you BOTH?

free dixie,sw

[donmeaker]

The Pareto Principle has a significant few, and an insignificant many. The Declaration of Independence is, I suppose to your mind the ravings of an insignificant few. I hold it is not so. I hold that the representitive governments of the south had been hijacked by the slave holders. I hold that the representative governments of the south wrote those documents as the best face they could put on their actions. I hold that those same slave holders drafted the non-slave holders into the militia, and called out the militia to defend their plutocracy.

Again, I have alwasy been surprised that R.E. Lee would have anything to do with the anti-democratic (small d) plutocrats, but then again, he was married to one.

I don't call you a liar, just sadly misled.

[stand watie]

i hold you to be a south-HATING liar & fool of the first order.

sadly for you, intelligent freepers are on to your game. they are laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[donmeaker]

Fine. the intellectual quality of your comments has never been high. It is funny that you call me south hating, particularly since I lived in Texas for 4 years, and enjoyed it a great deal.

Liar, that is interesting. I have backed up my statements with quotes from the "official documents" of the time. My comments have been moderate. You, on the other hand, have never risen above the ad homiem attack. Your loss.

[stand watie]

coming from you, i'm pleased.

as i've said before, intelligent FReepers laugh AT you.

PLEASE continue to run off at the mouth, with your incoherent rantings,lies & foolishness.

YOU TOO serve the southron cause,thereby.

free the southland,sw

[stand watie]

coming from you, i'm pleased.

as i've said before, intelligent FReepers laugh AT you.

PLEASE continue to run off at the mouth, with your incoherent rantings,lies & foolishness.

YOU, TOO, serve the southron cause,thereby.

free the southland,sw

[donmeaker]

1859
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grant/timeline/

I figure that Grant and Lee both got slaves from their wife's family. Grant got one, and set him free in 1859. Lee got 250, and set them free in 1864. Arlington was controlled by the federal forces at that time.

One interesting thing about Lee and Grant is the parallelisms. Both were poor, but such a difference in their poverty. Both were that inexplicable source of genius for their army. Grant never lost a battle. Lee never lost his dignity.

I quote from the above link:

"January (1859): Grant moves into a back room in St. Louis rented from his business partner, while his family temporarily remains at White Haven. In March, his family joins him in a rented cottage in St. Louis.

March 29: Despite the financial troubles of the Grant family, there is one remedy Grant refuses to consider. He sets free his slave, William Jones, who had come to him through his wife's family."

[Paul C. Jesup]

Interesting.