The Litmus Test for American Conservatism (The paloeconservative view of Abe Lincoln.)

Chronicles Magazine ^ | January 2001 | Donald W. Livingston

[stand watie]

yeah, right.

those people were criminals, whose loyalty to the union was not in question, but who had planned terrorist acts against citizens of the state of TX.

sorry, but as usual you're wrong, scalawag.

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[stand watie]

what a SILLY statement on your part.

the CSA was far less a police state than the USA was in 1861-65. after all we didn't have DEATH CAMPS to abuse, torture & murder innocent civilans & POWs. (i know you think the THOUSANDS of murdered POWs and civilians, like the 92 martyrs of MY family are myth, but the OFFICIAL records speak for themselves.)

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[stand watie]

the simple answer is that it was REQUIRED by the constitution.

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[stand watie]

thank you.

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[stand watie]

well said.

in point of fact, lincoln couldn't have cared less if the slaves were EVER freed.

he said so himself.

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[stand watie]

and your point is????

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[GOPcapitalist]

The British tariff on Southern Cotton was 15%?

No. The southern tariff on imported cotton manufactures was 15%. I looked up the southern tariff schedule, BTW. It taxed 431 import articles. 12 of those articles were at 25% - the highest rate in the confederate tariff. The remainder were 10% and 15% with an average overall rate of 13.3%. That made the confederate tariff one of the lowest for any nation in the world at the time. It was also lower than the 1857 US tariff, which had been considered the friendliest free-trade tariff in half a century. Here's the link for the data. It's a .pdf so I can't cut and paste, but go to the table on the last page and read the figures on what the south actually imported and how the Confederates set their tariffs. They were every bit as protectionist as the US tariffs of 1857 were.

[GOPcapitalist]

Also - your link isn't working.

[Ditto]

Ooops. I forgot to post the link. http://aghistory.ucdavis.edu/majewski.pdf

[Gianni]

No such thing as a 'left-libertarian';

I beg to differ. There are 'left' and 'right' libertarian philosophies that differ greatly. Your problem is your confusion with the use of the terms 'left' and 'right' wrt the major parties.

"The Government exists to preserve the free exercise of our Rights; ergo, individual Rights supercede the wishes of the State."

That is anarchy by definition. Clearly rational people made decisions in which majorities could regulate the behaviour of others. This is why child molesterers are in prison.

Why do you feel the need to deny its validity?

Because it's not true?

How does the above truism threaten your liberty, Gianni?

It doesn't, it's just not the way it works. Whether or not it should work that way is the matter of some debate.

[stand watie]

nope. i'm serious, women & children read the posts on this forum.surely, your vocabulary is not that limited!

VULGARITY & OBSCENITY have NO place on FR.

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[stand watie]

as the Minister of Propaganda for the damnyankees on FR, N-S will use any source or tactic to try to denigrate dixie & her patriots.

that is FACT.

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[Gianni]

And just how do you use this piece of idle humor to explain the 80 million dollar deficit at the time of the Morrill tariff?

It does little to explain it, especially when they knew that Morill would decrease revenues. Your repeated attempts to justify it with the deficit only make the situation more confusing.

Of course, the truth of the matter was that most of the 80 million was stolen by the south in one form or another. When you don't produce, you must depend on the kindness of strangers, and if not then you must steal like a thief in the night. How is this stealing better than a balanced budget and the concept of paying one's own way in the world. Do elaborate

Zealotry in action. Can I pull this back on topic by asking why it was that Lincoln refused all attempts to negotiate the debt?

[Gianni]

I like the way you think.

Receiving the endorsement of the Walt should be a strong indicator that you're barking up the wrong tree.

[stand watie]

it's not nearly as much fun as watching you & the walt brigade twist in the wind, when the LIES, WAR CRIMES & power-hungry, statist politics of lincoln, the GREAT spiller of innocent blood, and his clique of thugs are pointed out to you & your allies here.

that's REALLY fun to watch.

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[stand watie]

correct.

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[stand watie]

where did you get this rather peculiar notion?

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[stand watie]

in point of fact, the governor of NC did precisely that.

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[stand watie]

exactly!

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[stand watie]

walt needs a friend or two.

he has, by my count, FEW here on FR.

but then MOST of the forum members are neither scalawags or fools.

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