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California's Driver License Bill Opens Door to Voter Fraud and Illegal Gun Sales
NewsMax ^ | Friday, September 5, 2003 | Eric Leonard

Posted on 09/05/2003 3:17:18 PM PDT by demlosers

LOS ANGELES -- California Gov. Gray Davis' quietly announced to the Spanish-language media that he will sign the controversial bill allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses.

This as critics in Davis' own state government condemned the bill for endangering the public and the electoral process by enabling illegal aliens to fraudulently vote and unlawfully purchase firearms.

SB-60, revived this year after similar bills were vetoed in 2001 and 2002, would allow 'undocumented immigrants' to apply for state-issued driver's licenses using foreign birth documents and IRS taxpayer identification numbers in lieu of previously required U.S. birth certificates and social security numbers.

The licenses issued under the proposed law would carry no indication the applicant was not a legal resident. That, critics say, will create a host of problems they say bill supporters have failed to address.

Voter Fraud Expected

A driver's license is the only official document needed to register to vote, according to the Registrar of Voters office in Los Angeles County, California. A spokesperson there said that's because, until now, a valid license was a clear indication of legal residency.

The Registrars office confirms an illegal alien, license in hand, would simply have to lie in response to the citizenship question on the voter registration form in order to begin voting.

The office said they have no way to verify whether or not an applicant is a citizen. Voter registration forms are signed under penalty of perjury, they said, and the citizenship question is simply answered, "on the honor system."

Officials at the office could not recall a single instance of a registered voter being prosecuted for perjury.

Additionally, California's motor-voter law enables driver's license applicants to simultaneously register to vote. The new license bill has no provisions to limit or remove the automatic voter registration process from the applications.

Door Open for Illegal Gun Sales

Illegal aliens have been prohibited from buying or transferring firearms since the passage of the federal Gun Control Act in 1968, but federal law enforcement sources warn the driver's license bill will enable illegals to complete seemingly-legitimate gun purchases.

Just like the voter registration documents, California gun transfer forms rely on the honor system to establish citizenship.

"If they lie on their dealer record of sale and say, 'yes they are a citizen,' when they are not, there is ... not going to be a further check completed," said Hallye Jordan, a spokesperson for the California Department of Justice.

Sources inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said the implications of the new driver's license rules are especially alarming in Southern California, where they say rings of traffickers smuggle weapons from the U.S. into Mexico, where the guns are sold at inflated prices on the black market.

Currently, agents say the smuggling rings often buy stolen weapons and use 'straw purchasers' to obtain firearms. Under the rules in the new law, they say the smugglers, which are most often Mexican nationals who have crossed into the U.S. illegally, will simply obtain a 'clean' and legitimate driver license, and buy the guns legally.

Problems With the Bill

State Senator and Republican recall candidate Tom McClintock said Thursday Colorado has already passed a law rejecting the validity of California driver's licenses should Gov. Davis sign the bill.

He said the law means California licenses could no longer be used for identification or driving in Colorado after the California bill takes effect next year.

A spokesperson for California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said this week their office withdrew support for the bill after lawmakers removed provisions for electronic fingerprinting of applicants, and last week, Department of Motor Vehicles investigators warned passage would lead to rampant identity fraud.

"As peace officers, we are concerned that there are already a great number of ways to illegally obtain a DMV license," DMV Investigators Association president Richard Carillo told the Sacramento Bee newspaper.

"SB 60 doesn't require comparison of prints or documents from non-citizens with their supposed nation of origin; nor does it allow for the DMV to verify prints that should be on file with federal immigration authorities."

On August 9, the Internal Revenue Service cautioned TINs, or Taxpayer Identification Numbers, are an unsuitable source of valid identification.

"If your state is considering legislation to accept (individual taxpayer identification numbers) as proof of identity for driver's licenses, please alert your legislators to potential security risks," says a letter


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Colorado
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Go ahead Kalifornia, make it law.
1 posted on 09/05/2003 3:17:18 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Gee, I wonder who is happy about this?
2 posted on 09/05/2003 3:24:48 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Vote for Arnold. At least he has a shot.)
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To: demlosers
" would allow 'undocumented immigrants' to apply for state-issued driver's licenses using foreign birth documents.."

The terrorists new motto:

If You Want To Launder Your ID
Visit the California DMV
3 posted on 09/05/2003 3:24:52 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: demlosers
Lets see if the Republicans have any BALLS. This is anti US, what we need is an injunction.
4 posted on 09/05/2003 3:26:22 PM PDT by BIGZ
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To: demlosers
This is blatant disregard of assisting Federal regulation of our borders. All the interviews I've seen concerning this issue are full of apathy. The California State law enforcement pass the buck, saying its not their place to enforce borders, that's for the Feds to deal with...thats insane!
If bankrobbers crossed the Nevada/California border and robbed a bank in California, would the State Police just wait for the FBI to take care of Federal business??
5 posted on 09/05/2003 3:34:00 PM PDT by Tarl ("Men killing men, feeling no pain...the world is a gutter - ENUFF Z'NUFF")
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Rogue, does the bill actually still require them to produce a birth certificate? Hmmm...I wonder how many illegal aliens pack around their birth certificates. Do they even issue birth certificates in Mexico?
6 posted on 09/05/2003 3:34:04 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: Tarl
On the other hand, law enforcement was strongly opposed to this bill.
7 posted on 09/05/2003 3:34:56 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: demlosers
we must have a national ID card....hehehehe
8 posted on 09/05/2003 3:37:11 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: isthisnickcool
Who is happy about this?


9 posted on 09/05/2003 3:40:37 PM PDT by South40
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To: demlosers
Anyone remember Fake ID's?
10 posted on 09/05/2003 3:44:30 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: My2Cents
The bill only requires a Taxpayer ID number.... to get a taxpayer ID number you need to show one of the following:

- A passport.
- A driver's license.
- Birth, marriage, or baptismal
certificates.
- An identity card issued by a state or
national government authority.
- A foreign military or military dependent
identification card.
- School records.
- A foreign voter registration certificate.
- Documents issued by the U.S.
Immigration and Naturalization Service
(INS).
11 posted on 09/05/2003 3:54:08 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel, Priscilla and Bill!)
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To: My2Cents
Which law enforcement? Two different times the issue was brought up on Hannity on the radio once with a police official, another time with the state DA and they said border enforcement was a federal issue. Why even label them illegal if you're gonna treat them as legal?
12 posted on 09/05/2003 4:01:03 PM PDT by Tarl ("Men killing men, feeling no pain...the world is a gutter - ENUFF Z'NUFF")
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To: So Cal Rocket
You can go to Santa Ana and have all these documents for a price.(thousands and thousands have done so)B of A where I live, takes an ID card from Mexico to open an account. This is just insane!
13 posted on 09/05/2003 4:04:35 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: BIGZ
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14 posted on 09/05/2003 4:05:14 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (As long as the sociopath Clintons are breathing, we are in grave danger.Bill is just the opening act)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Cali is a lawless land now. Breaking the law is advantageous to certain groups, and it is encouraged in many ways.
15 posted on 09/05/2003 4:07:53 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (As long as the sociopath Clintons are breathing, we are in grave danger.Bill is just the opening act)
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To: demlosers
The origin of black slaves in early America being 2/3 of a person by law, is often misunderstood. It's purpose was to increase the power of slave states by giving them more representives in congress. It is/was as simple as that. The same can be said for Democraps attempts to give rights to illegal citizens, it is a blatant power play.

Forget all the bleeding heart stuff about the plight of illegals. Since every aspect of human behavior is already legislated and regulated by democrap socialists, they have no other way to grow their power except by manipuilating population numbers. Meanwhile, republican business interests look the other way in search of ever cheaper sources of sweat shop labor.

They elite power brokers are bankrupting the United States and destroying American society for their lust of power.

16 posted on 09/05/2003 4:17:38 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: Tarl
I guess I was wrong. I noted from the Senate Floor analysis of the bill that the State Sheriffs Association was opposed. I have to admit that I heard that law enforcement was "screaming" to have this bill defeated. Apparently not. There are some law enforcement entities that were in support of the bill. I guess their rationale is that if they pull someone over, they'd rather have some ID on the person rather than none at all.
17 posted on 09/05/2003 4:19:14 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Cali is a lawless land now.

Ann Coulter characterized California as being ungovernable.

18 posted on 09/05/2003 4:20:40 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: Scenic Sounds
Can the Feds intervene to stop this? An injunction perhaps?
19 posted on 09/05/2003 4:20:41 PM PDT by onyx
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To: demlosers; Wild Irish Rogue; Tarl; So Cal Rocket
Who or what is going to stop these two million illegals from voting in the upcoming recall election?? The f---ing honor system!?!? We're going to rely on the honor of lawbreakers????

It is incredible that we the citizens of California and the US are going to let such a large-scale fraud be perpetrated on us without any of us taking to the streets!!!! We're as passive as the german jews under Hitler - we just keep taking it!!

Why don't we by the thousands uprise against this travesty that is about to happen in LA and let them know we're totally disgusted and are not going to take it anymore!!!

It's time for us Californians to have our Bastille day!!

20 posted on 09/05/2003 4:23:25 PM PDT by aquila48
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