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Palestinian Treatment of Christian Arabs (Query: Who do the paleocons side with on this one?)
The Prism Group ^ | September 5, 2003 | Fact Sheet #7

Posted on 09/05/2003 2:23:48 PM PDT by quidnunc

There are approximately 50,000 Christian Arabs living in areas under the exclusive control of the Palestinian Authority (PA). This Fact Sheet focuses on the living standards of this minority.

Background Information

Recent statistics show that the Christian Arab population numbers approximately 2.4 percent of the total population. This is a significant decrease from 1948, when the figure was approximately 20%. (New York Times, 31 December 1995).

Although collectively referred to as Christian Arabs, they include the Eastern Orthodox, which is the largest group, and the Catholics, who are considered to have the most powerful voice due to recent Vatican-Israel relations. By comparison, the Protestants are a tiny group.

This overall drop in population has led to major geopolitical changes. Until 1948, Bethlehem had a Christian majority of 80%. Today, under PA rule, it has a Muslim majority of 80%. Few Christians remain in the PA-controlled parts of the West Bank. Those who can emigrate often do so. It would appear that the PA is trying to conceal this massive population shift.

Pope John Paul II was mindful of these sobering facts. Significantly, during his visit to Bethlehem in March 2000, he urged Christian Arabs to remain in Bethlehem, the home of Christianity, saying, “Do not be afraid to preserve your Christian heritage and Christian presence in Bethlehem.”

Conversely, the Christian population in Israel has more than quadrupled since 1948. In a census conducted by the British mandatory authorities in 1947, there were 28,000 Christians in Jerusalem. Since 1948, this number has increased from 30,000 (all of Israel) to approximately 146,000 as of 1993 (Jerusalem, seventh edition; Israel Information Center, 1995). This more than 200% increase is largely seen as a result of Israel’s policy of guaranteeing freedom of worship to all religions in all places.

General Institutional Persecution

The official religion of the Palestinian Authority is Islam and the basic laws of the PA are based on Koranic Shari’a. Organizations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad have publicly advocated the establishment of a unified fundamentalist Islamic state over the entire Middle East. It is not surprising to find numerous claims that the Christian Arabs are subject to subtle discrimination by the Palestinian Authority, as shown below. U.S. courts have even granted asylum to Palestinian Christian Arab refugees, on the grounds that they would be oppressed if they return to the PA areas.

1 – Today, the PA-controlled Wakf prevents Jews and Christians from praying on the Temple Mount, an area considered to be of religious and historical importance to the Christian religion.

2 – Many mosques have mushroomed adjacent to and usually taller than churches. Loudly amplified Moslem sermons have been aired during Christian services, including the Pope's April 2000 address in Nazareth. The Moslem broadcasts were so loud, in fact, that the Pope was forced to halt his speech until Moslem call to prayer was concluded.

3 – Anti-Christian rhetoric is common in official PA broadcasts. For example, in a Friday sermon on October 13, 2000, broadcast live on official Palestinian Authority television from a Gaza mosque, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya proclaimed: “Allah the almighty has called upon us not to ally with the Jews or the Christians, not to like them, not to become their partners, not to support them, and not to sign agreements with them.”

4 – The treatment of Christian women, like that of Moslem women in PA-controlled areas, is also oppressive in nature. Accused of wearing “permissive” Western clothing, there have been many cases of intimidation and harassment reported by Bethlehem Christian women. Even more alarming, there have been frequent reports of rape and abduction of Christian women (especially in Beit Sahur).

PA Treatment of Christian Holy Sites

Throughout PA-controlled areas, there are numerous sites of historic or religious significance to the Christian religion. Many have become a focal point as Palestinian gunmen abused their sanctity, waging battles, hiding explosives, and more. Some examples include:

• Without prior consent of the church, Yasser Arafat turned the Greek Orthodox monastery near the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem into his domicile during his visits to the city.

• On July 5, 1997, the PLO seized Abraham's Oak Russian Holy Trinity Monastery in Hebron, violently evicting monks and nuns.

• During the 2000-2002 Palestinian War of Terror, the PA's Tanzim militia chose the Christian town of Beit Jala to shoot at Jerusalem. They were specifically positioned in or near Christian homes, hotels, churches (e.g., St. Nicholas), and the Greek Orthodox club.

The most flagrant example of Palestinian disregard for the holiness of Christian shrines occurred last spring, during the takeover of the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem by PA forces. Palestinian gunmen held over 40 Christian clergy and nuns as hostages. This takeover was not an act of desperation nor did it center around refugees seeking safe haven during the heat of battle. Very simply, over 100 armed and wanted terrorists deliberately forced the Israeli government to lay siege to the holy site. The PA’s intentional strategy was designed to embarrass Israel. Abdullah Abu-Hadida, a senior Tanzim commander, later commented: “The idea was to enter the church in order to create international pressure on Israel…”

Sadly, once the Church was finally evacuated, it was found that it had been desecrated and defiled.

Current Status Of Christians Living In PA-Controlled Areas

According to evidence received by The Prism Group, the Christians remaining in PA-controlled areas are subjected to relentless persecution. A few limited examples include:

• In June 1997, agents of the Palestinian Authority’s Preventive Security Service arrested a Palestinian convert to Christianity for regularly attending church and prayer meetings and distributing Bibles. This man is still being held in a Palestinian prison and has been subjected to physical torture and interrogations.

• In August 1997, Palestinian policemen in Beit Sahur opened fire on a crowd of Christians Arabs, wounding six of them. Arafat attempted to cover up the incident and has warned the Arab media against publicizing the story. The local commander of the Palestinian police instructed journalists not to report the incident.

• A Palestinian convert in Ramallah was recently visited by Palestinian police at his home and warned that if he continued to preach Christianity, he would be arrested and charged with being an Israeli spy.

• The Comtsieh family [a Christian family] has a building that serves as a business center in Bethlehem, but several years ago a Moslem family from Hebron took possession of the building. The Comtsieh family filed a claim with the Palestinian Authority judicial system. After long and arduous court hearings, the court ruled in the claimant's favor. However, the police never enforced the verdict. Representatives of the Hebron family later appeared with a new court verdict (signed by the same judge who ruled in the claimants’ favor previously), canceling the previous verdict and ratifying the Hebron family's ownership of the property.

The PA leadership maintains that it seeks peace, with guarantees of religious freedom. Unfortunately, the facts show otherwise. The Christians in PA controlled areas have begun to pray in secret. Some are applying to move to Israeli-controlled areas, where they are assured the right to worship freely. If action is not taken to ease the plight of Christians in PA-controlled areas, it is likely that the presence of Christians in these areas will continue to dwindle until few will remain to guard the holy sites.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiochianorthodox; arabchristians; christians; palestinians
So, as I said, where do the paleoconservatives' sympathies lie in this instance?

Do they still maintain that the Palestinians are a downtrodden people who are interested in nothing except living in peace in their own country?

Inquiring minds want to know.

1 posted on 09/05/2003 2:23:49 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I suppose I tend towards Barry Goldwater style "paleoconservatism", and agree with alot of what PBJ says.

I don't think Isreal should cede one inch of either the west bank, or gaza. Let alone allow the PA to administer a single block within Jerusalem. Those Palistinians who are anything other than stellar Isreali citizens should be run out of Isreal on a rail immediately.

Were you expecting any particular answer?

2 posted on 09/05/2003 2:36:15 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter
PBJ sounds like freeze dried coffee. I meant PJB.
3 posted on 09/05/2003 2:37:42 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter
I don't think of Goldwater as having much in common with paleocons.

Here's a few quotes from Goldwater which illustrate the point:

Quotes from Goldwater:

"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
"I don't have any respect for the Religious Right."
"A woman has a right to an abortion."
"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,"


4 posted on 09/05/2003 2:58:01 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Sounds like your problem isn't with Paleocons, its with christians.

BTW poll after poll shows christians stand disproportionally with isreal these days.

5 posted on 09/05/2003 3:08:32 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter
skeeter wrote: Sounds like your problem isn't with Paleocons, its with christians. BTW poll after poll shows christians stand disproportionally with isreal these days.

No, it is paleocons who get the flat of my blade.

They — at least most of those whose I have seen address the Middle-East question — have painted Israelis as the aggressors and all-around bad guys.

So I'm wondering how they are going to reconcile their obvious distaste for Israel in light of the fact that it is the only country in the region which protects the rights of Christians, as contrasted to the Palestinians who oppress Christians.

By the way, Barry Goldwater was a libertarian, not a conservative as the term is understood today.

6 posted on 09/05/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
It might be fun to talk about this issue, which I'll grant you is a good one..... but right now I'm LOLing a bit too hard over your sourcing of a web site where none of the contributers is proud enough of their work to have their names listed anywhere on the site. Why's that?

If you want a really good belly laugh, run theprismgroup.org through the magical old "whois" machine....it's a absolute hoot!

Say what you will about the paleos, but they are usually willing to sign there names to their pieces and defend the points they propose in the open.
7 posted on 09/05/2003 3:23:26 PM PDT by mr.pink
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mr.pink wrote: It might be fun to talk about this issue, which I'll grant you is a good one..... but right now I'm LOLing a bit too hard over your sourcing of a web site where none of the contributers is proud enough of their work to have their names listed anywhere on the site. Why's that? If you want a really good belly laugh, run theprismgroup.org through the magical old "whois" machine....it's a absolute hoot! Say what you will about the paleos, but they are usually willing to sign there names to their pieces and defend the points they propose in the open.

The information in this report is readily avaiable from other sources.

I posted this because it puts the aforementioned information together in an especially cogent manner.

By the way, I assume that The Prism Group is a pro-Israeli organization.

That in no way invalidates what they have to say.

8 posted on 09/05/2003 3:37:58 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
That in no way invalidates what they have to say.

Sorry, but the intellectual cowardice of the operation speaks volumes and is of course discrediting to the character of the participants.

Even the neocons I disagree strongly with sign their work and list their names on organizations they are affiliated with.

Gotta' go.
9 posted on 09/05/2003 3:44:09 PM PDT by mr.pink
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To: quidnunc
By the way, Barry Goldwater was a libertarian, not a conservative as the term is understood today.

I was referring to the Goldwater in '64, when in his political prime.

Not the dottering old fool he became later.

10 posted on 09/05/2003 4:20:10 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: quidnunc
The reason is that most "Palestinian Christians" have suffered a 700 year long Stockholm syndrom and blame israel.
For the better part of 1300 years, the Hellenestic settlers occupying Israel have lived under Arab rule as Dhimmi. They survived by associating themselves with the Arab Muslims. (Kind of like the Getty girl.) Many are among the most radical anti-israeli activists.
Of course, there is another reason. Most are Greek or Armenian Orthodox, Pre-Vatican II Catholics, or members of other Christian sects that believe in replacement Theology. Given that they are mostly decendants of the Romans, Syrians, Greeks, and Nabateans who killed millions of Jews and colonized Judea, their inclination towards a theological basis for doing so is understandable.
Unfortunately, this means that they are theologically more comfortable living as Dhimmi than with the existance of the Third Israeli Commonwealth.
If you will note, many of the anti-Israel conservatives belong to Christian groups that also adhere to Replacement Theology. Some have been so indoctrinated as to make historically and theologically ridiculous statements. Scott McConnel actually cites the ludicrous claim of a Mainline Presbyterian minister (read leftist who hates Calvinism) that Jesus Mary and Joseph were Palestnian. http://www.amconmag.com/04_21_03/cover.html
(Of course McConnel's universalism does not apply to immigrants to the US. It only applies against Israel!)

As an American Nationalist conservative, I find this lack of consistancy troubling.
Many paleos turn their dislike of Neocons into hatred of Israel. They feel oppressed by Necons and liberals and blame Jews and Zionists. They end up hating Israeli Nationalists more than communists.

11 posted on 09/05/2003 5:10:09 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
They feel oppressed by Necons and liberals and blame Jews and Zionists.

I think you are right on target, as usual.

About two years ago, someone on FR started a thread, "What is a paleo-conservative..." Since then I tried to observe these discussions with an open mind. But almost invariably, it always ends up with ---- well, essentially, "we are not those d-mn Jews." Instead of "Jews" there is a list of names, of course.

Conservatives are a large crowd, and it is natural that there is a diversity of opinion. But only when it comes to foreign policy, and only when it's related to the Middle East, does it bring an altogether separate designation: paleoconservative. I doubt that would've happened if those paleos disagree with had come from, say, Spanish families.

12 posted on 09/06/2003 9:14:27 AM PDT by TopQuark
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About two years ago, someone on FR started a thread, "What is a paleo-conservative..." Since then I tried to observe these discussions with an open mind. But almost invariably, it always ends up with ---- well, essentially, "we are not those d-mn Jews." Instead of "Jews" there is a list of names, of course.

I wouldn't go that far. Some like Joe Sobran and Sam Francis are anti-Semites. However, there are paleocon Jews. Paul Gottfried is one.

Conservatives are a large crowd, and it is natural that there is a diversity of opinion. But only when it comes to foreign policy, and only when it's related to the Middle East, does it bring an altogether separate designation: paleoconservative. I doubt that would've happened if those paleos disagree with had come from, say, Spanish families.

Paleocons are isolationist. They openly celebrate the America First Committee.
Their dislike of Israel is rarely based on hatred of Jews. Rather they dislike Israel because
1. They view it as a creation of the UN
2. they oppose foreign aid and believe that demonizing Israel will help.
3. They view our ties to Israel as the cause of hatred against the US.

13 posted on 09/06/2003 11:23:12 AM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
Thanks, this helps.
14 posted on 09/06/2003 8:09:43 PM PDT by TopQuark
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