[Travis McGee]

It's hard to imagine the USA remaining a Pacific superpower without Kali. It's the old question, stay and fight what may be a lost cause, or move out, and hope the center can hold.

[El Gato]

It's hard to imagine the USA remaining a Pacific superpower without Kali.

I know there are problems in Washington and Oregon as well, but as long as we have the many ports, or bays that could be developed into Naval Bases, we don't really need California. Besides, if you carved out SF and LA, and maybe San Diego, you'd still have lots of good places for ports, although none as good as SF bay, and a pretty places as well.