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Lessons of the Estrada Defeat
Legal Theory Blog ^ | September 4, 2003 | Prof. Lawrence Solum

Posted on 09/04/2003 3:47:38 PM PDT by pogo101

Withdrawal: What Does Estrada's Decision Mean?



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: estrada; filibuster; judiciary; lessons; nuclearoption; senate
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To: votelife
bttt
81 posted on 09/24/2003 3:09:15 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: hchutch
The Dims can't get anyone to run against Campbell here. They tried getting their media friends to publish push polls claiming Campbell is vulnerable, but no one bit. Then they tried floating stories that over the hill Dims like Gary Hart were considering the race, but that didn't work. The latest was getting reports published that a couple of wealthy I.T. entrepreneurs were getting in the race (to spend their own money, of course) but that failed. It's pretty funny.
82 posted on 09/24/2003 3:14:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker (USA - taking out the world's trash since 1776)
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To: pogo101; votelife
Late commenting on this (thanks for the ping, votelife). Generally, Prof. Solum got things right. However, I do have a couple of bones to pick with him.

First, I don't feel that the nuclear option is as distasteful as the Professor does. Specifically, the Senate could use some "House-ification". If the most-basic of Senate responsibilities can be derailed by a group well within the minority, then it's high time that extra-Constitutional traditions such as the filibuster go the way of the dodo bird.

Second, I disagree with his analysis with regard to why there aren't "mass filibusters", and indeed, with his assertion that there aren't "mass filibusters", at least at the appellate level. While it is true that a lot of President Bush's nominees have been confirmed, nearly all of them have been at the District Court level (Estrada notwithstanding), and nearly none of them have been at the appellate level. Outside of the DC District Court (because most federal legislation gets challenged there first), the Appellate Courts are far more important than the District Courts because of both their scope and the fact that they're essentially the final word on most of the controversial cases. Morever, the semi-secret "hold", the process where a single Senator, usually in the state where the nominee would be located, prevents any consideration by the Senate of that nominee, further skews the numbers.

I also take issue with his analysis of where the federal judiciary currently is ideologically. Because of 8 solid years of a Democratic President with basically no obstruction by the Republicans, the whole of the federal judiciary is, at best, moderate, with the bulk of the judges that have retired in the last 2 years and retire in the next several fairly described as conservative. If the Republicans continue to remain in the Presidency, the feared "shift to the right" won't happen until 2009, at the earliest, and then only if the Republican Party as a whole makes a turn to the right. If a Democrat sneaks in next year, then it won't be a "shift to the center", rather, it will be a hard (and permanent, in my opinion) turn to the left.

My final, and biggest bone of contention, is the author's desire for "legal formalism". While that sounds good, his explanation of "neoformalist" reads like a liberal's attempt to con conservatives into accepting all of the abuses of the Warren and Burger Courts and indeed, allow for further judicial activism as long as they're consistent with the "logic" put forth by those Courts. Never mind that the liberal mindet, from both a jurist and political standpoint, will never be content with this perverted definition of legal formalism. The Left cannot afford to give up the judiciary as the means to push its politically-unpalatable portion of its agenda.

83 posted on 09/24/2003 4:30:46 PM PDT by steveegg (I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
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To: steveegg
good points; Cheney commented on judicial obstruction at a NH fundraiser today, I hope this is a sign of things to come in 2004
84 posted on 09/24/2003 8:27:06 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: pogo101
What are the lessons of the Estrada nomination and withdrawal?

As far as republicans are concerned, if there's no money in it it's not worth fighting for.

85 posted on 09/24/2003 8:34:23 PM PDT by ssdb
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To: ssdb
Maybe ... but I have hope that, if

1. Bush wins in '04;
2. The GOP keeps the Senate in '04; but
3. The GOP DOESN'T pick up enough seats to make judicial nominations filibuster-proof (i.e., about a majority of 57-43 or so),

then

we may well see Senate Republicans "go nuclear" VERY EARLY in '05. WHAMMO -- dozens of confirmations brought en masse to the floor at once; cloture vote fails to get 60 votes, but it gets 51 or more; Dick Cheney, in his seat as President of the Senate, nonetheless declares the motion for cloture successful; Democrats appeal that ruling, which needs a majority to be sustained; and they fail on the same 50-something to 40-something vote;

then the confirmations themselves get rammed through with the same vote.

Yeah, yeah, I know all the stories about a "nuclear winter" in Senate relations after this happens. So effing what??
86 posted on 09/24/2003 8:49:31 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: votelife
bttt
87 posted on 09/26/2003 11:45:20 AM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: votelife
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/994423/posts

Check out Lindsay Graham, from Byron York's good Pickering column:



Graham took as his starting point a statement that Schumer had made earlier in the meeting. Slamming Pickering over the cross-burning case, and then criticizing the White House for nominating him, Schumer said, "We'd prefer to find consensus, agreement, and comity. But if the administration insists on a fight, then a fight they'll get."

"If I thought that Judge Pickering somehow condoned cross burning, it would be the easiest decision in the world to vote no," Graham began. "And if you really believe that, then you're absolutely right, you should vote no."

The truth is, the man's been under siege for a couple of years now, and I can only imagine what he and his family went through. It's been total hell. There's nothing worse you can say about somebody other than they're a racist. And there's nothing worse you can say about a southern white person than that they're a racist. We have to live with that all the time, and it's our own fault to a certain extent.
In my state, 31-percent African American, we're a long way away from South Carolina being where it should be. The incomes in my state of African Americans are dramatically lower than the population as a whole. So I don't want anyone to leave this room today thinking that we've fixed our racial problems in the South. We have not.

But I tell you, you need to look at your own states and see if you've fixed them in your state. There's a long way to go, and beating on this good man is not going to make us a better nation.

The reason we're here is that you all have chosen a handful of nominees — and there are not many, but one is too many — and you've used the tactic of stopping them from having a vote up or down on the floor. And we will respond in the future, and the country will be the great loser.

What's happening is going to doom the future of the U.S. Senate, because if you think the people on my side of the aisle, when there's a Democratic president, are going to sit back and not do the same thing — that's just naive.

This is history being made in the United States Senate. This is horrible history. It's happening on our watch. God, I wish I could fix it. But I don't see it being fixed.

Senator Schumer said let the fight begin. The fight has begun, and the fight needs to be taken to its logical conclusion. We need to break these filibusters, we need to bring reason back to the table, and we need to stop taking good men and women who are well qualified by the bar association and saying that they are racists.

Do you know what it must have been like in 1967 to get on the stand and testify against the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi? Do you have any idea what courage that took? Shame on you.

By the end, Graham was nearly in tears and the room was silent. It was an almost stunning conclusion to a meeting that had just a few minutes before seemed entirely recycled and pre-scripted.
88 posted on 10/03/2003 2:49:01 PM PDT by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
let's see how the Pubs handle Pickering and Brown...
89 posted on 10/23/2003 2:04:04 PM PDT by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
let's see how the Pubs handle Pickering and Brown...

My guess is, "With deference to the collegial nature of the Senate." That is, the same way other contentious nominees have been handled.

As far as I know, the GOP hasn't pushed its proposed change in rules regarding the handling of judicial appointments. As long as one DEM Senator is willing to object to the nomination, and at least 41 DEM Senators vote against cloture, the nominee will not be approved. Period.

90 posted on 10/23/2003 2:12:04 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
bttt
91 posted on 11/04/2003 11:33:18 AM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
bttt
92 posted on 12/22/2003 2:32:22 PM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
bttt
93 posted on 12/26/2003 7:34:39 AM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
Bush should renominate Estrada a month before the election.
94 posted on 01/05/2004 2:52:57 PM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
bttt
95 posted on 01/30/2004 12:56:03 PM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife
bttt
96 posted on 05/08/2004 10:15:57 AM PDT by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: votelife

bttt


97 posted on 02/17/2005 12:02:15 PM PST by votelife (Elect a filibuster proof majority, 60 conservative US Senators!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

bttt, hopefully Warner and Hagel and Specter vote right on this one.


98 posted on 05/14/2005 5:42:03 PM PDT by votelife (Elect a filibuster proof majority, 60 conservative US Senators!)
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