[callmemrpurpose]

"Actually, the entire discussion was the fairy tale that is the OT III and other upper levels of the CO$. I only brought up the copywrite issue to prove that the Xenu story is, in fact, what is taught in Scientology. You said it wasn't true, I proved it was. And whether or not the "papers" are copywrited, the law still makes provisions for fair use. Copywrite doesn't mean secret."

First of all I never said it "wasn't true" I said "I don't know if it's true, but I respect that they hold it confidential." This would would be a lot easier if you didn't feel the need to misquote me.

For all you know that story has been altered more times than the bible, or maybe it wasn't even written by Hubbard at all. However thats not the point, the point is that it's already been disclosed and hasn't made much of an impact. Which would lead me, and probably others, to believe that there is a little bit more to the church than what you claim meets the eye - since overall the people within it are hardly phased by your righteous propaganda tactics.

But go believing what you want, like I said I dont care. I know it's difficult but to respect the religious beliefs of others is all I ask of you. Live and let live. If it is bogus then people will figure it out for themselves. I wouldn't worry though, there are probably 1000% more success stories in scientology than failures, so they must be doing something right.

[searchandrecovery]

I wouldn't worry though, there are probably 1000% more success stories in scientology than failures...

They don't publish "failure stories" in their fanzines, do they? How would you know? Of course, you could start checking out alt.religion.scientology. If you dare.

Hubbard was a loon. As I said before, the boy defined scientology as "The science of knowing how to know", and yet, there was no science involved at all - he just pulled this sh-t right out of his ass.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

If it is bogus then people will figure it out for themselves.

Then why does the COS threaten ex-members with litigation? They don't want anyone to figure it out for themselves. Have you ever heard of Catholics being sued by the church, because they said they disagree with a Bishop? Why does the COS sue?

[TomB]

First of all I never said it "wasn't true" I said "I don't know if it's true, but I respect that they hold it confidential." This would would be a lot easier if you didn't feel the need to misquote me.

Here is what you said:

"I've been around the church my whole life and the only time I ever heard the word "Xenu" mentioned was on anti site propaganda. I don't know, or even care, where or why these rumors got started. The topic is dead to me and I'm not interested in it. I'm sorry that you believe whatever nonsense is fed to you."

If it is "rumor" and "nonsense", it is "not true".

For all you know that story has been altered more times than the bible, or maybe it wasn't even written by Hubbard at all.

Here it is in Hubby's own handwriting:

And yes, we know it to be legit because the COS lawyers went after someone to take it down and in the process admitted it to be true.

However thats not the point, the point is that it's already been disclosed and hasn't made much of an impact. Which would lead me, and probably others, to believe that there is a little bit more to the church than what you claim meets the eye - since overall the people within it are hardly phased by your righteous propaganda tactics.

And that would lead me, and MANY others to believe that you are brainwashed if you actually believe this story.

But go believing what you want, like I said I dont care. I know it's difficult but to respect the religious beliefs of others is all I ask of you. Live and let live.

I'm sorry, calling yourself a "religion" won't make it so, no matter what the useless IRS says. As mentioned before, any religion in the world will produce their theology and beliefs for you whenever you want. However, as seen by your evasions, Scientology is a closed door, held shut by a gaggle of lawyers. Tell me, where can I find your "church's" epistimology? Where are your sacred texts? If I go to one of your "church" and ask one of your "ministers" what your beliefs are, what will he tell me?

If it is bogus then people will figure it out for themselves

Yes, only AFTER spending years and tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out exactly what it is all about.

I wouldn't worry though, there are probably 1000% more success stories in scientology than failures

How do you know? Because they told you so? How about some proof?

so they must be doing something right.

Just don't ask Lisa McPherson about that.

[yankeeheart]

It was involved in the cult for too many years. I knew most of Hubbard's children. I got a lot of letters from him, some truly from him, others of the "forged by staff" variety. But I know his handwriting, and that's his handwriting on the OTIII document. I also knew the lady who was his nurse during the time he was doing that so-called "research."

A convenient line from scientologists with supposed super-abilities (none of them really have any) is that "you didn't do it, so you don't really know."

I didn't drink Jim Jones' Kool-Aid, either, but I know those people are dead.

And scientology is the most conspicuously evil cult on the face of the planet. The good thing is, it's dying by the day.