SCIENTOLOGY: NO RIGHTS, PLEASE

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[callmemrpurpose]

You - LOL I don't suppose you can document that, can you?

Me - Ok I made the mistake of saying he spent his "entire fortune" he was a pretty "fortunate" guy, it would be hard to spend it all. But, all the research was funded by himself.

Yes it's docmented in a biography. If you are looking for bank statements or things of that nature then I can't help you. Perhaps you should ask the IRS.

[strela]

The same agreement prohibits "any psychiatrist, medical person, designated member of the state or family member" from placing the Scientologist into a hospital or facility for psychiatric treatment.

Meaningless. No psychiatrist or medical person would sign such a document, and would probably be sued for attempting to honor it anyway.

Scientologists are scum.

[searchandrecovery]

She Blinded Me With Science

Tommy D. Rocks! I got the album on vinyl, man. I saw him live once in Philly. Astronauts & Heretics is one of my favorite albums. Rock On, Dude! Whoooooooooooooooo!

[searchandrecovery]

Oooh, almost forgot - I took Latin in HS. Let me translate your tagline...

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.
If your modem works it is an accident, be glad (eat an m-and-m); telephone accidents happen.

[Liberal Classic]

Quod erat demonstrandum, baby! (Oh you speak French!)

:)

[TomB]

Since you never bothered to respond to my points in post 128, I'll consider the points conceded.

Ok whatever. I get your point that its a ridiculous story and impossible to believe; as if other religions dont believe in some ridiculous things? If thats all it is then why aren't you against all religions for their belief in god? Is that your only argument?

Here's the difference. I can walk into a Catholic Church, and in the space of an hour or so, hear all about their teachings and theology. If I then decide that the idea of actually consuming the flesh of Christ at Communion is a "ridiculous story", I can move along to another church looking for beliefs that better fit my belief system.

On the other hand, I don't even get to hear the whole "Xenu" garbage until I reach OT3. And that involves many years and many thousands of dollars. I'm never given the chance to examine the "theology" of Scientology because it is some sort of secret.

Do you see the IMMENSE difference?

[TomB]

Yes it's docmented in a biography.

Why should we believe his bios when he was a pathological liar?

As proof, could you give us a rundown of what you know to be his service in WW2?

[MEGoody]

"Now that is the most blatantly obvious display of intolerance anyone's posted so far."

Oh, please. It was sarcasm. You were whining "I think I'll remain independent" as though you wanted us to beg you to stay.

So fine, remain independent. That's no skin of my nose nor anyone else's. I'd say the same to anyone who whined the way you did.

[xm177e2]

No I accept that there are some things that I don't know yet. I don't claim to know everything.

I pointed out a clear logical inconsistency in your position. Something is WRONG with what you believe. Both "Xenu is a fabrication by anti-Scientologists" and "Documents about Xenu are copyrighted materials of the 'Church'" CANNOT be true at the same time.

1) Do you agree, yes or no, that these things cannot both be true at the same time? (Xenu is either part of Scientology, or he isn't, there is no middle ground)

2) Now, tell me, which side do you believe, this "Church" or the public records of a trial that took place in a public courthouse?

[Final Authority]

My hero with respect to the issue is Bob Minton. He puts his money where his mouth and heart is. He is a one man crusade against the so-called church. Do a search on google. The story is interesting.

[Malacoda]

Rod Keller and Andreas Hedal-Lund, too.

Operation Clambake has some truly frightening stories of what has happened to people who have crossed this cult.

IMHO, they're as bad as the insane death-cult of Islam.

[callmemrpurpose]

Sorry I can't keep up with all these posts.

You - "On the other hand, I don't even get to hear the whole "Xenu" garbage until I reach OT3. And that involves many years and many thousands of dollars. I'm never given the chance to examine the "theology" of Scientology because it is some sort of secret."

Me - Yes there is a difference but what you've got to understand that it is openly known and every scientologists accepts that the OT levels are confidential until you reach that point. It's no secret that it's a secret.

You can know what the end result is of each level but you dont get to know what the theory is until you get there. This is known and accepted. I'm not asking you to be a part of it or agree with it, I'm just asking you to respect us as people. You think it's garbage? Fine with me, I can yield to that opinion, but that opinion wont change how I feel.

You preach that the church is ripping people off left and right but the people who actually gave money to the church and went through the motions would have a more reliable opinion then you since they have the experience to tell.

Not only that - the "theology" of Scientology is explained in Scientology basics. So you get to know plenty of applicable "theology" before you get to OT 3.

[callmemrpurpose]

1) Yes I believe it was taken from scientology. I also believe it may have been somewhat altered and that the basics are the most important part of scientology (LRH said so himself), but without a complete grip on the basics no one could be expected to comprehend or carry out to completion the upper levels. Which is why you have to do a number of actions before OT 3 which also explains why OT's are happy with the level because they understand it.

2) see above

[xm177e2]

without a complete grip on the basics no one could be expected to comprehend or carry out to completion the upper levels

But I have a very clear comprehension of the upper levels, and I've never had any first-person experience with the "basics."

I can also tell you that the Xenu story is central to Scientology. It explains the origin of "thetans," which (once you reach clear) you will spend all of your money trying to purge from your body. Every new level you advance to, they spring on you a new kind of "thetan" that you're supposed to get rid of (through their expensive treatments, of course). This goes on all the way up to at least OT8...

[MeanWestTexan]

The scariest Co$ memeber is none other than Fox News Anchor Greta Van Sustern. No joke.

She and her ambulance-chasing husband are big time Clams.

And yes, the Xenu/volcano nonsense is the core of scieno theology.

[searchandrecovery]

Sorry I can't keep up with all these posts.

Here, I can help. Let me summarize this thread (so far): scientology is a ufo-cult. It is also a big load of crap. Hubbard was insane. It costs a lot of money. Most people leave the "church" after trying it. It is not in any way related to Science. Some people (for example, Lisa McPherson) have died while undergoing "counseling".

Any questions?

[UCANSEE2]

you got mail.

[searchandrecovery]

you got mail.

Funny.

[TomB]

Me - Yes there is a difference but what you've got to understand that it is openly known and every scientologists accepts that the OT levels are confidential until you reach that point. It's no secret that it's a secret.

Could you point to me to where Scientology admits that some of its teachings are secret? I very well may have missed it, but in all the reading I've done, I haven't seen it stated quite that way.

You can know what the end result is of each level but you dont get to know what the theory is until you get there. This is known and accepted. I'm not asking you to be a part of it or agree with it, I'm just asking you to respect us as people. You think it's garbage? Fine with me, I can yield to that opinion, but that opinion wont change how I feel.

If you somehow have to "condition" people to accept your teachings, there MUST be something wrong with them. You keep coming back to this "accepting" you, well, I don't care if you wrap yourselves in tinfiol and play Bee Gee's albums backwards waiting for the mother ship. Just don't expect us to pay for it by granting your "church" tax-exempt status. And when you CONTINUALLY harass your critics, don't expect them to go quietly.

You preach that the church is ripping people off left and right but the people who actually gave money to the church and went through the motions would have a more reliable opinion then you since they have the experience to tell.

No. By having a significant financial stake in the outcome, people are much more likely to give a good critique, that is just human nature. And let's get the terminology straight, people don't "give" or "donate" to the Co$ as they would in other churches, you are required to PAY for auditing services, despite the fact they are called "donations". Yet another reason Scientology cannot be called a religion.

Not only that - the "theology" of Scientology is explained in Scientology basics. So you get to know plenty of applicable "theology" before you get to OT 3.

I'm not talking "basics", I'm talking SPECIFICS. Apparently they have something to hide, and knowing the whole story, I can see why.

[callmemrpurpose]

Funny.