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To: Alter Kaker
Lincoln happened to be President when the undoing of the Constitution took place; he used violence against American citizens to achieve a political end; he supported the policy of his generals to wage war on civilians.

He failed to avert violence in Feb-April 1861. He was a failure of a President in the worst way.

King was a philandering plagerist which speaks to his character; he associated with Marxists (at the least)and he was not above using the specter of violence to secure political power and a racial spoils system that exists to this day. I hardly see him as a model for American 'progress' but an example of its worst excesses in the scope of American democracy. While he did secure power for an elite few to manage the destruction of the black community, he did very little to advance the environment of liberty.

Just my opinion.

87 posted on 09/03/2003 9:36:47 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: JohnGalt
Ending slavery was political goal? How about constitutional goal? For slavery violated American (small-c) constitution. Or do you not believe that all Men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness?

he supported the policy of his generals to wage war on civilians.

Southern policy not to wage war on civilians or do you not consider negroes to be civilians? Forcing men women and children to work at gunpoint, sleep with their "owners", and give up their children seems like war to me.

King was a philandering plagerist which speaks to his character; he associated with Marxists

This is true. But it says nothing of fact that he helped to bring end of segregation, effect which will live much longer than those he "associated" with or those he slept with. Or do you not believe end of segregation was good? How about end of slavery?

91 posted on 09/03/2003 9:45:18 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: JohnGalt
"He [Lincoln] failed to avert violence in Feb-April 1861. He was a failure of a President in the worst way. "

Uh huh, and I got some DU-inspired propoganda that says G W Bush failed to stop 9/11 and so should be blamed for it.
That's like blaming Poland for Hitler's invasion in 1939.

Bad logic yields bad history.


94 posted on 09/03/2003 9:50:15 AM PDT by WOSG (Lower Taxes means economic growth)
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