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To: Dead Corpse
The major difference being that any other individual can take care of a child. It does not require its birth mother for its survival. At a certain point in gestation, a fetus can survive without being inside the mother it was concieved in.

DC, are you a parent? If so, how can you tell me "any other individual" can take care of a child? A crack whore? A teenager? A person with Alzheimers? Even without the extreme examples, it takes more than just a bit of knowledge, and effort, to care for a baby. And it's irrefutable that a baby is not an "independent person".

The day when a baby (fertilized egg) can survive outside the mother's body is here today. It is medically possible to remove a fertilized ovum from one person and implant it in another. (I was surprised by this.) See here. So the Star Trek moment has arrived.

So no, infanticide is most certainly NOT justifiable.

And, if abortion is, pray tell why not?

When that Star Trek moment happens, the ethics of abortion becomes that much murkier. Any jsutification for terminating cellular replication would evaporate outside of eugenics arguments. Let's not go there yet. We aren't grown up enough.

There's nothing murky about abortion. It's murder, plain and simple.

How about the anti-onanites with their knickers in a bunch over the spilling of seed?

It makes your palms hairy and makes you go blind too, from what I've heard. Of course I'd know nothing about that !

108 posted on 09/03/2003 2:10:36 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
DC, are you a parent? If so, how can you tell me "any other individual" can take care of a child? A crack whore? A teenager? A person with Alzheimers? Even without the extreme examples, it takes more than just a bit of knowledge, and effort, to care for a baby. And it's irrefutable that a baby is not an "independent person".

Do not deliberately dodge the point. Yes, I AM a parent. You know damn well what I meant. There is a huge difference between being connected by an umbilicus, and being handfed by another human. Don't distort your point to where it breaks.

The day when a baby (fertilized egg) can survive outside the mother's body is here today. It is medically possible to remove a fertilized ovum from one person and implant it in another. (I was surprised by this.) See here. So the Star Trek moment has arrived.

It would have to be afewully early in the division cycle. Once it implants in the uterine wall, it's pretty much there for the duration. So no, unless you have a link to research saying otherwise, removing a fetus and implanting it in another mother is still a ways off.

There's nothing murky about abortion. It's murder, plain and simple.

If it were that plain and simple, we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we? Nor would this wack-a-nut Hill have shot three people.

It makes your palms hairy and makes you go blind too, from what I've heard. Of course I'd know nothing about that

Oddly, a new study says that one of the ways for men to reduce their prostate cancer risk is to have four or more orgasms a week. Self service is optional for those with a healthy married life... ;-) Still, such practices are decried as evil by some of the very same extremists who advocate shooting abortion providers.

I think you at least get my point. Agreement is not required.

109 posted on 09/03/2003 2:29:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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