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Hawaii under Hurricane Threat
NOAA ^ | 8-31-03 | NOAA

Posted on 08/31/2003 9:51:53 AM PDT by bonesmccoy

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1 posted on 08/31/2003 9:51:54 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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I was there in the 80's when hurricane Eva slammed the islands. No fun, and all those stupid tourists....Wacky Beach washed away...
2 posted on 08/31/2003 9:55:05 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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I've got a buddy who lives here in S. Florida, but keeps a home on the big island, and has been vacationing there for the past couple of weeks. I bet the last thing he thought he'd be dealing with is a hurricane, especially after leaving tropical storm-rich Florida.
3 posted on 08/31/2003 10:01:22 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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4 posted on 08/31/2003 10:02:13 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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5 posted on 08/31/2003 10:03:27 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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Where did that graphic of the hurrican track come from? I live in Hilo and haven't found one of the predicted path that good on any of the NOAA sites. We're all battened down here and waiting.
6 posted on 08/31/2003 10:09:27 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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7 posted on 08/31/2003 10:11:06 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: bonesmccoy
Are hurricanes common to Hawaii? I know they must have tropical storms and typhoons (same thing?) but I never think of hurricanes in the Pacific. I always thought of them as mid-Atlantic phenomena.
8 posted on 08/31/2003 10:18:52 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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I was under the impression, hurricanes occur only in the Atlantic Ocean. Storm systems in the Pacific Ocean are called typhoons and in the Indian Ocean are called cyclones. When did this all change?
9 posted on 08/31/2003 10:23:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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Understanding eastern Pacific hurricanes

Source: The USA TODAY Weather Book by Jack Williams

By Jack Williams, USATODAY.com

Even though an average of 18 tropical storms form over the eastern Pacific Ocean each year and around half develop into hurricanes, few of these storms hit land. A few hurricanes hit Mexico's West Coast and every few years a storm will brush Hawaii.

No hurricane has hit the California Coast since records began, but a tropical storm with 50 mph winds did come ashore at Long Beach on Sept. 25, 1939, killing at least 45 people. (Related: Tropical storms to affect California).

Since winds over the tropics around the globe blow generally from east to west, storms that form over the warm Pacific off the Central American and Mexican coasts are generally pushed toward the west. Some storms do turn toward the north to hit the Mexican Coast. Cold ocean water off the California Coast weakens storms that make it that far north.

Even though the storms die before reaching the USA, the remnants can bring heavy rain to California, the Southwest and sometimes to places as far east as Oklahoma.

Most hurricanes die before they get as far west as Hawaii, but some do make it. The water around Hawaii is cooler than farther south and the storms weaken, however. The last hurricane to hit Hawaii was Iniki in 1992, which devastated parts of the Island of Kauai with winds probably up to 115 mph. Iniki killed six people and damage was estimated at $2.3 billion in year 2000 dollars.

Eastern and central Pacific storms are called "hurricanes." Storms have to be west of the International Date Line to be "typhoons."

Until weather satellites began "seeing" eastern Pacific hurricanes in the 1970s, meteorologists had underestimated how many occur because many storms never come near land and fewer ships sail the eastern Pacific than the Atlantic, Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. The eastern Pacific hurricane season runs from May 15 through Nov. 30.

West Coast 'hurricane' winds aren't hurricanes

From time to time winds above 75 mph hit the Pacific Coast, especially the Northwest Coast. While these are "hurricane force" winds, they are not from hurricanes, but from strong extratropical storms.

One famous case was the Columbus Day Storm of 1962 that hit northern California, Oregon and Washington. It caused more than 50 deaths and had winds as high as 119 mph in Portland. When it hit the West Coast, this storm was extratropical, but began as Typhoon Frieda nine days earlier near Wake Island in the western Pacific.

The storm stayed a rather weak typhoon with 100 mph winds, before merging with an extratropical storm. The extratropical storm moved eastward across the Pacific and then northward along the Northwest Coast.

While some accounts called the storm "Typhoon Frieda" or "Hurricane Frieda" when it hit the Northwest, it was no longer a tropical storm, but had become extropical. (Related: Differences between tropical, extratropical storms).

USA Today

10 posted on 08/31/2003 10:24:55 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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Lots of hurricanes (that's the name used there, too) form off of Mexico's Pacific Coast and move westward, it's just that they usually dissipate in the Central Pacific without hitting land. When they take a somewhat more northerly track, they can hit Hawaii. This one is moving a lot like Iniki in 1992, so the hope is it won't turn north after passing the Big Island.

If anything, the Pacific hurricanes are more powerful than the Atlantic variety - there was one a few years ago with 200 mph sustained winds, but fortunately it never made landfall.

11 posted on 08/31/2003 10:25:51 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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Thanks for the excellent information. Now I are a expert.
12 posted on 08/31/2003 10:32:23 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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We are assured that this will not be an Iniki type hurricane due to the strong high pressure trough north of the islands that is slowly moving south. That is what is keeping this hurricane on a westward track. I hope the trough doesn't dissipate in the next 24 to 48 hours.
13 posted on 08/31/2003 10:33:34 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: bonesmccoy
Aren't they called Typhoons in the Pacific...or is that further west than Hawaii?
14 posted on 08/31/2003 11:09:35 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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Hurricane Jemima could turn out to be bigger than Hurricane Buckwheat and Hurricane Stymie put together!

FMCDH

15 posted on 08/31/2003 11:17:10 AM PDT by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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lol...I was just going to say that.
16 posted on 08/31/2003 1:02:54 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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Ah....I looked it up. "Western Pacific"

That's actually pretty stupid if you think about.

17 posted on 08/31/2003 1:04:31 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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LOL! I know, our minds are just accustomed to thinking of Japan or China as "east" -- even here on our "west" coast! It's like geographic dyslexia.

But I always thought it was "typhoon" in the "western" Pacific (Hong Kong, Phillipines and such). So I was wondering about the term "hurricane" in relation to Hawaii. But an earlier poster answered that if the storm started in the "eastern" Pacific (off the coast of Mexico) and moved west it was still called a hurricane.

It's enough to turn the brain inside out, living on this side of the ocean!

18 posted on 08/31/2003 5:00:29 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: hole_n_one
great graphics....thanks
19 posted on 08/31/2003 7:44:06 PM PDT by YaYa123
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It's been several hours since I viewed the graphics I posted and they appear to be self-updating......

The track has changed to a more southerly direction and the the sat. pic has the formation MUCH closer to the islands now.

20 posted on 08/31/2003 7:48:46 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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