Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: NMC EXP
This article should answer some questions.

I agree. It should. It does not. Though I can find no disagreement with the author in his listing of what rights *are* he in no way offers a simple explanation of their *source*.

The closest the author comes to this revelation is in one of his closing lines: "Actual rights—those actions to which you are *entitled by your nature* as man...."

I ask, what is my nature as a man? From what font did that nature spring?

Does evolution theory explain my rights? If the happenstance of my birth came through thousands - excuse me, millions - of years of evolution, and my life as man is pure luck of the draw according to the governing rule of survival of the fittest (over even cellular life), what claim do I have to the uniqueness of my nature? How dare I presume to set myself atop the chain of life for simply being born (with no involvement on my part) with the capacity for rational thought, a cosmic accident, biological happenstance?

Rights only apply to beings capable of thought, Fulton Huxtable asserts, capable of defining rights and creating an organized means—government—of protecting such rights.

Is this why babies in utero have no right to life and may be aborted at the whim of the 'thinking' mother? Is this why the Honorable George W. Greer, Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit, Clearwater, Florida, can rule justly that Terri Schiavo's husband may remove her feeding tube? If a man (or woman, or child) is incapable of defending his rights does he not have them?

If you (or Fulton) were to argue that those men (or women or children) who are incapable of defending their own rights due to age or disability are given assumed rights because society has made provision for their rights in law, then you are admitting that rights come from government.

I beg to differ.

Animals have thought processes. This has been proven scientifically and is irrefutable. Animals have the desire to live, and the ability to defend their lives (as men do) until that defense is countered by superior force. Thought process is not the origin of man's rights.

Man's superior ability to gather into societies and to establish government on the agreement of delineated rights, and for the protection of these, does not explain the *source* of man's rights - *unless* you or Fulton Huxtable is arguing that *the agreement of what rights are* is itself the source?

I beg to differ with that, too.

As I see it, you have three choices in naming the Source of your rights:

1) God - absolute and unchanging, according to His revealed will by His Word
2) Government - whimsical enforcement by the Power du jour
3) Your personal declaration - rationally indefensible.

53 posted on 09/01/2003 7:50:23 AM PDT by .30Carbine (and through the truth that comes from God mankind shall then be truly free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies ]


To: .30Carbine; Cultural Jihad
The "Fatal Blindness" reference comes from the fact that your little screed is the product of a merely human intellect, with no wisdom. 42 -cj-

Carbine, you & CJ share the 'fatal blindness' that your absolute belief in a supreme being is an absolute truth. All of mans works [bibles, holy works of reveled 'wisdom', etc.], are but "little screeds" of the human intellect.
You ask:

I ask, what is my nature as a man? From what font did that nature spring?
Does evolution theory explain my rights? If the happenstance of my birth came through thousands - excuse me, millions - of years of evolution, and my life as man is pure luck of the draw according to the governing rule of survival of the fittest (over even cellular life), what claim do I have to the uniqueness of my nature? How dare I presume to set myself atop the chain of life for simply being born (with no involvement on my part) with the capacity for rational thought, a cosmic accident, biological happenstance?

What claim, you ask? You answered yourself.
-- It is rational thought...
Suit yourself as to believing how we aquired the capacity.

Rights only apply to beings capable of thought, Fulton Huxtable asserts, capable of defining rights and creating an organized means—government—of protecting such rights. Is this why babies in utero have no right to life and may be aborted at the whim of the 'thinking' mother? Is this why the Honorable George W. Greer, Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit, Clearwater, Florida, can rule justly that Terri Schiavo's husband may remove her feeding tube? If a man (or woman, or child) is incapable of defending his rights does he not have them? If you (or Fulton) were to argue that those men (or women or children) who are incapable of defending their own rights due to age or disability are given assumed rights because society has made provision for their rights in law, then you are admitting that rights come from government.

Nope, there is no such admittion at all. We rationally gave the government its limited powers to defend our rights, which includes defending the rights of incapacitated members.

I beg to differ. Animals have thought processes. This has been proven scientifically and is irrefutable. Animals have the desire to live, and the ability to defend their lives (as men do) until that defense is countered by superior force. Thought process is not the origin of man's rights.

Of course just 'thinking' isn't. -- Rational thought, and the ablity to act upon it, is the origin of man's rights. Other animals don't have such rationality.

Man's superior ability to gather into societies and to establish government on the agreement of delineated rights, and for the protection of these, does not explain the *source* of man's rights - *unless* you or Fulton Huxtable is arguing that *the agreement of what rights are* is itself the source?

Rationality itself 'explains' the source for all practical purposes.
You are free to disagree, but disagreeing violently makes for messy politics.

I beg to differ with that, too. As I see it, you have three choices in naming the Source of your rights:
1) God - absolute and unchanging, according to His revealed will by His Word
2) Government - whimsical enforcement by the Power du jour
3) Your personal declaration - rationally indefensible.

Wrong. - Number 3, -- declarations of independence, based on our self evident rights to form governments by & for the people, with non-whimsiscal enforcement of freedom for all; -- are rationally defensible.

It is indefensible, and irrational, -- to insist that your peers do not have 'rights' unless they are given by # 1), your version of God.

61 posted on 09/01/2003 9:35:37 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies ]

To: .30Carbine
As I see it, you have three choices in naming the Source of your rights:

1) God - absolute and unchanging, according to His revealed will by His Word
2) Government - whimsical enforcement by the Power du jour
3) Your personal declaration - rationally indefensible.
I am not an atheist so I will not attempt to debate the point. However, in my opinion your item #3 is wrong. I have observed several debates on the topic and the atheists have a rational, compelling argument in favor of natural rights.

Regards

J.R.

62 posted on 09/01/2003 9:40:13 AM PDT by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson