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To: KrisKrinkle
"Depending on who "we" is and the form of government that has been established, we don't all have joint ownership of government. In the case of the US, non-citizens do not participate in joint ownership of government, but they do have civil rights in regard to trial by jury, due process and so forth."

Using the extension of the author's reasoning, isn't that a privilege, bestowed upon foreigners by our good graces and our desire to get revenue from tourism and foreign investment, rather than a right?

I realize that I am in grave risk of delving into symantecs. But, I think that the philosophy surrounding rights - of any kind - is fascinating, and I like to get input from anyone who is willing to give it, on every facet of the topic.

51 posted on 08/31/2003 8:51:26 PM PDT by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Voice in your head
Using the extension of the author's reasoning, isn't that a privilege...

I don't think so, but I might have missed something.

Of course if a  right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others, then the right to trial by jury and the right to due process are not really rights at all.    They are obligations to the accused and to society.

And a lot depends on what is meant by privilege.  I've seen privilege defined as a right conferred by law.  I've also seen it defined as a right, advantage, exemption, power, immunity or franchise held by a person, not generally possessed by others.

I'll have to think more about this.

And I don't scorn delving into symantecs.  The use of words is important in trying to convey meaning.  When someone has said to me "That's just semantics," I have been know to say something like "Can I call you dipstick?  After all, it's just semantics" :)
 
 

52 posted on 08/31/2003 9:45:09 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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