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To: KrisKrinkle
Civil rights and legal rights are not universal. For instance, those who are not citizens may not have the right to vote in national elections.

I believe the author only referred to natural rights.

Perhaps that's a matter of interpretation. If another person or other people infringe on my rights or fail in any obligation they have to me, I might have a right to their life, money, property or time and I may use coercion in regard to that right.

The libertarian "non agression principle" does cover self defense if someone initiates an act of agression against you. I believe Huxtable covers that in another essay.

While it's true that the actual meaning of a right has been corrupted, it is also true that people may have claims on each others lives by virtue of what for lack of a better term could be called a social contract.

I disagree. One person's need can never constitute a claim on the resources of another. We can have purely voluntary social obligations to address the needs of another but that cannot constitute a right.

Maybe problems regarding statism arise when people deviate from the original terms of the contract.

When people fail to fulfill their social obligations to family and neighbors the state is ready and willing to step in by claiming the needs of the poor do constitute a claim on the resources of the rest.

Regards

J.R.

33 posted on 08/31/2003 5:00:59 PM PDT by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP
 
  I believe the author only referred to natural rights.

I thought so, but it would have been better if the author had made the distinction, particularly when he started writing about statists.  In some societies someone might have a civil or legal right (but not a natural right) to housing and so forth, depending upon how the society is set up.

One person's need can never constitute a claim on the resources of another.

I did not mean to say that mere need did constitute such a claim.

I wrote that they ".. may have claims ...  by virtue of what for lack of a better term could be called a social contract."  The Founders (some of them) had claims on each other because of the words ",,,, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
 
 

50 posted on 08/31/2003 8:08:47 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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