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To: NMC EXP
Rights are only inalienable and inherent if there is a God who grants those rights. Then people have those rights because God granted them. If, however, there is no God then rights are not inherent nor inalienable; and are in fact granted by the State and can be revoked by the State.

Leftists, who are basically relativist existentialist atheists (although some claim they believe in God but note in reality they tend to belong to liberal denominations which pay no attention to Scripture), are perfectly willing to believe that rights come from the State.

Bottom line: no God, no rights -- just revokable privileges that happen to be called rights.

10 posted on 08/31/2003 11:52:36 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: dark_lord
"If, however, there is no God then rights are not inherent nor inalienable; and are in fact granted by the State..."

So in circumstances where there is neither a God nor a state, there will be no rights, whether recognized or unrecognized?

13 posted on 08/31/2003 12:11:08 PM PDT by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: dark_lord
Bottom line: no God, no rights -- just revokable privileges that happen to be called rights.

I know several libertarians and objectivists who are of the atheist persuasion who would not only disagree with you but would prove their point in debate.

You'll just have to take my word for it. Most are banned.

Regards

J.R.

32 posted on 08/31/2003 4:50:30 PM PDT by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: dark_lord

Rights do not need a supernatural author or “giver” to be natural and inalienable. They can be so by the nature of the thing (person) that has the right - as was stated, rights are among equals, swatting a fly does not violate a right because the fly is not an equal, but giving one person special treatment over another DOES violate the right of equality...of course that means those with the “rights” must agree on that equality, which, if you look back 100 years in the US, you did not have that agreement...Rights, in practice, must be claimed, exercised, and defended, or they become meaningless.


82 posted on 03/18/2016 12:54:03 PM PDT by Libertariann
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