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Bill Pryor: Too extreme or too Catholic?
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 8/29/2003 | Joe Fuerherd

Posted on 08/30/2003 1:53:27 PM PDT by sinkspur

There was no reason to believe, when President Bush nominated William Pryor to a seat on the federal appellate bench last April, that the debate over the conservative Alabama attorney general would result in Methodist and Mormon senators lecturing their Catholic colleagues on the finer points of Catholic doctrine.

It certainly didn’t begin that way.

Initially, participants followed the all-too-familiar script. Bush promised that Pryor would be a judge who “followed the law” and wouldn’t legislate from the bench. Conservative interest groups ginned up their direct mail machines and urged the faithful to contact their senators on Pryor’s behalf.

Liberal lobbies, meanwhile, called the nomination a sop to the Republican Party’s socially conservative base and condemned Pryor as an extremist who could not be trusted to set aside his strongly worded views on abortion, gays and states’ rights when he put on the judge’s robe. Democrats threatened a filibuster -- their new weapon of choice in the ongoing judicial wars fought in the closely divided Senate.

Pryor, a Catholic, was the first to break form. Rather than soft-pedal his antiabortion views at his nomination hearing as other Bush nominees commonly do, he defended them. He stood by a comment -- he previously called Roe v. Wade “the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history” -- but said that his personal beliefs would not affect his ability to dispassionately apply the law.

Judiciary Committee Democrats pounced, and not only on abortion. Pryor was questioned and criticized for defending Alabama’s treatment of prisoners (the Supreme Court ruled that handcuffing an uncooperative inmate to a post for hours without food or water was “cruel and unusual punishment”), for arguing that the Americans with Disabilities Act did not apply to state employees, and for supporting the recently overturned Texas anti-sodomy statute. He was questioned about a canceled family excursion to Disney World; it was “gay day” at the park and Pryor didn’t want his children exposed to it.

Pryor’s record and rhetoric, Democrats charged, made a lifetime appointment to the federal bench too risky.

And then, a week before the Senate Judiciary Committee was to vote on the nomination, the rules of the nomination game really changed.

The conservative Committee for Justice, headed by Bush I White House Counsel C. Boyden Gray, and the Ave Maria List (a political action committee affiliated with Domino’s Pizza founder Thomas Monahan’s Ave Maria Foundation) took out newspaper ads in Rhode Island and Maine, home to the potential swing votes of Sens. Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee.

The ads showed a door labeled “Judicial Chambers” covered by a sign reading “Catholics need not apply.” Said the ads: “Some in the Senate are attacking Bill Pryor for having ‘deeply held’ Catholic beliefs to prevent him from becoming a federal judge.”

Back at the Judiciary Committee, senators reacted to the accusations in a heated discussion that featured non-Catholic Pryor supporters tutoring Catholic colleagues on the faith.

Methodist Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., told his colleagues that “the doctrine that abortion is not justified for rape and incest is Catholic doctrine.” He continued, “It’s the position of the pope, and it’s the position of the Catholic church. Are we saying that if you believe in that principle, you can’t be a federal judge?”

Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., a Catholic opposed to the Pryor nomination, responded that “many Catholics who oppose abortion personally do not believe the laws of the land should prohibit abortion for all others in extreme cases involving rape, incest and the life and health of the mother.”

Pryor, said Durbin, supports the death penalty. “I’m not going to ask Senator Sessions to make a judgment as a Methodist whether that makes him a good Catholic or not,” remarked Durbin.

Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, a Catholic, called the ads “religious smears,” while Utah Republican Orrin Hatch, a Mormon, said he’s “concerned we are reaching a point where a judicial nominee with deeply held religious views may be prevented from serving as a federal judge.”

Over the course of the week that followed the debate spread. Dueling news conferences -- religious groups opposed to the Pryor nomination said the debate was about Pryor’s ideology, not his faith; groups supporting the nominee said it was bigotry, not ideology, that placed the Pryor nomination at risk.

Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput, writing in his archdiocesan newspaper, said the committee debate on Pryor turned “ugly” because Pryor “believes that Catholic teaching about the sanctity of life is true; that the 1973 Supreme Court Roe v. Wade decision was a poorly reasoned mistake; and that abortion is wrong in all cases, even rape and incest.”

Pryor was nominated, said Chaput, because “he has served the state of Alabama with distinction, enforcing its laws and court decisions fairly and consistently.”

Others saw less benign motives for the nomination.

“Maybe President Bush thinks Bill Pryor will make other far-right judicial nominees look tame,” said Ralph Neas, president of People for the American Way, a liberal interest group. “Maybe he thinks any Supreme Court nominee will look good in comparison. Or maybe Pryor is this month’s political protection payment to satisfy the demands of the religious right political leaders and their allies who are constantly on guard for any signs of moderation.”

Was the anti-Catholic accusation a McCarthyite tactic designed primarily to exact a political price from Democrats for their obstruction of Bush judicial nominees? Or do Senate Democrats have a different standard for pro-life Catholics than they do for observant Jews, devout Lutherans and practicing Presbyterians?

Pryor supporter Douglas W. Kmiec, the outgoing dean of Columbus School of Law at The Catholic University of America, said it’s more complicated than outright prejudice.

“I don’t think the Senate is rife with anti-Catholic bigotry,” Kmiec told NCR, “but I think the Senate is in danger of being misled into believing that an authentic Catholic cannot serve in judicial office by virtue of the consistent teaching of the church in favor of life.”

There is a tendency, said Kmiec, “to automatically view them [pro-life Catholic nominees] with suspicion because of two things. First, they are pro-life and, second, they have reached their pro-life position informed in part by their Catholic faith. There is the supposition that someone who is observant is incapable of performing judicial service.”

William and Mary law professor Michael J. Gerhardt, author of The Federal Appointment Process: A Constitutional and Historical Analysis, disagrees.

“I have hard time believing that any senator would in any way, shape or form hold against any nominee the fact that he is Catholic,” said Gerhardt. “This is not about his being Catholic. It’s about where he’s looking for guidance in deciding questions of law.”

He continued, “What it comes down to is whether Pryor can be believed when he says that those religious views, which so clearly inform his judgment … will be left at the door when he is acting as a judge. In most cases, people are quite willing to take the nominee’s word. But in the case of someone who … expresses [his] views strongly, then you can’t be surprised when senators are either skeptical or want to probe the veracity of those statements.”

Meanwhile, the Committee for Justice plans to take its case directly to Catholics with post-Labor Day advertisements in Our Sunday Visitor, the National Catholic Register and The Wanderer, the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call reported Aug. 18.

In an otherwise muddled and messy picture, one thing is evident: Pryor won’t be getting the job. Senate Republicans fell seven votes short in their July 31 effort to end a Democratic filibuster.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: anticatholicbias; billpryor; catholicchurch; catholiclist; committeeforjustice; filibuster; judicialnominees
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They were certainly left there as Attorney General.

Now, of course, Pryor is in danger from the extreme right because he upheld the law, something he said he testified he was going to do.

I just hope Senator Sessions and Shelby continue to back him in the face of the idolization of Roy Moore.

1 posted on 08/30/2003 1:53:27 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
The ads showed a door labeled “Judicial Chambers” covered by a sign reading “Catholics need not apply.” Said the ads: “Some in the Senate are attacking Bill Pryor for having ‘deeply held’ Catholic beliefs to prevent him from becoming a federal judge.”

Methodist Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., told his colleagues that “the doctrine that abortion is not justified for rape and incest is Catholic doctrine.” He continued, “It’s the position of the pope, and it’s the position of the Catholic church. Are we saying that if you believe in that principle, you can’t be a federal judge?”

Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., a Catholic opposed to the Pryor nomination, responded that “many Catholics who oppose abortion personally do not believe the laws of the land should prohibit abortion for all others in extreme cases involving rape, incest and the life and health of the mother.”

Durbin is no more Catholic than my dog.

Ping. (As usual, if you would like to be added to or removed from my "conservative Catholics" ping list, just send me a FReepmail. Please realize that some of my "ping" posts are long.)

2 posted on 08/30/2003 2:06:00 PM PDT by Polycarp ("If God does not exist, everything is permitted" - Father Felix Lubyxsynsky)
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To: sinkspur
Interesting. The National Catholic Reporter wouldn't normally take up a conservative cause.

In earlier times, Catholics were overwhelmingly Democrat because they were working stiffs and were discriminated against by the Protestant establishment. Since then, the Protestant Establishment has melted down or morphed into a bunch of liberal secularists, and the Democrat party has changed its views on many social issues. As a result, increasingly, Church-going Catholics are switching to the Republican party. But the Democrats still rely heavily on their remaining Catholic vote and can't afford to lose any more of it.

I hope Bush presses home this issue forcefully. Karl Rove doesn't get it, but I think Bush instinctively does.
3 posted on 08/30/2003 2:22:24 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sinkspur
William and Mary law professor Michael J. Gerhardt, author of The Federal Appointment Process: A Constitutional and Historical Analysis, disagrees. “I have hard time believing that any senator would in any way, shape or form hold against any nominee the fact that he is Catholic,” said Gerhardt. “This is not about his being Catholic. It’s about where he’s looking for guidance in deciding questions of law.”

He continued, “What it comes down to is whether Pryor can be believed when he says that those religious views, which so clearly inform his judgment … will be left at the door when he is acting as a judge.

This bit of sophistry is just another way of saying no-popery. There is also the implication, it seems, is that open opposition to the existing abortion law is irrational. One more instance of liberal denial. If the matter were settled, then the country would not be as divided as its was were thirty years ago.

4 posted on 08/30/2003 2:27:30 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: sinkspur
Too much of a FedGov bootlicker in his sorry response to the Judge Moore-Ten Commandments-Display issue, in my view.

Support Judge Moore bump. Disappointed in Pryor bump.
5 posted on 08/30/2003 2:33:49 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: RobbyS
I just got back from an evening Mass here in Palm Beach County. During the sermon, the priest essentially said that if you're a Catholic, how can you vote for those who promote abortion (guess which party he was citing)? As the run-up to 2004 continues, I hope to hear more of this.
6 posted on 08/30/2003 2:40:57 PM PDT by Ax
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To: BenR2
Too much of a FedGov bootlicker in his sorry response to the Judge Moore-Ten Commandments-Display issue, in my view.

Lawlessness is not Godliness, Ben.

7 posted on 08/30/2003 2:48:31 PM PDT by sinkspur (How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
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To: Ax
Rats like Durbin--and I am not using the short term for Democrats--are fearful that conservative Catholics will hold him accountable for going along with the party. I am sure that all the Catholic pols he knows are pro-abortion. But the voters are not all pro-abortion, and if enough pro-life Catholics decide this man is untrustworthy, then come reelection he wasil have to spebd a lot more money than he wants to get re-elected. Don't have to beat them: just make them nervous. That's what this guy is now. He has been called.
8 posted on 08/30/2003 2:49:32 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: sinkspur
Pryor would be a judge who “followed the law” ...

I don't care what religion Pryor is as much as I worry about his slavish obedience to rulings handed down by the High Court.

As far as I can tell from what I've learned about his background from the Alabama courthouse event Pryor has never met a High Court ruling he would question. That leads me to believe he will do whatever it takes to advance his career, Constitution or no Constitution. The Federal bench needs men who think not robots who blindly follow.

It sounds nice to talk about following the rule of law, and no one being above the law, but in reality the nine people on the High Court make the law, they don't follow it, and because of that they have put themselves above the law. People like Pryor, who aspire to a High Court seat one day, will never put his career in jeopardy by alienating those higher up on the Court's food chain.

So, Pryor will spout off about the rule of law as it concerns the average citizen, but don't expect him to stand up for any principles that may put furthering his career on hold.
9 posted on 08/30/2003 3:07:51 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation Without Representation Is Tyranny)
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So, Pryor will spout off about the rule of law as it concerns the average citizen, but don't expect him to stand up for any principles that may put furthering his career on hold.

If you don't think Moore created this situation to further his career, you're naive in the extreme.

10 posted on 08/30/2003 3:11:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
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To: Noachian
I had a very high opinion of Pryor. Now, I don't know if he would rule in accordance with the Constitution, or the Marxist dicta of other federal judges and destroy what little Federalism remains.
11 posted on 08/30/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: sinkspur
William Pryor is too Catholic? Next thing you know, they’ll accuse him of being too American.
12 posted on 08/30/2003 3:26:43 PM PDT by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: Noachian
If judges on the federal Courts of Appeals don't rule in accordance with applicable Supreme Court precedents, than we don't have a judicial system at all. And that kind of chaos wouldn't benefit Christians any more than anyone else.

Bottom line is that Judge Moore blatantly announced that he intended to put his personal interpretation of religion ahead of the law while pretending to enforce the law, and then proceeded to defy court orders while pretending to be part of the court system. THIS is why Pryor and the other 8 Justices of the Alabama Supreme Court aren't with him, and not because they lack values, etc.
13 posted on 08/30/2003 3:34:41 PM PDT by only1percent
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I had a very high opinion of Pryor. Now, I don't know if he would rule in accordance with the Constitution, or the Marxist dicta of other federal judges and destroy what little Federalism remains.

Actions speak louder than words. Check out his background, and I think you'll find him to be a good little soldier who falls in step with each new ruling that comes down the pike. He isn't the type to ask questions of higher-ups no matter what his personal beliefs are. Putting him on a Federal bench would only worsen the problems with the Judiciary.
14 posted on 08/30/2003 3:37:11 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation Without Representation Is Tyranny)
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To: only1percent
  1. The Avalon Project : Federalist No 78 , AMENDMENT ONE - FREEPER rwfromkansas , AMENDMENT ONE Legal Scholar Says Founding Fathers Back Justice Moore on Ten Commandments , Federalism And Religious Liberty: Were Church And State Meant To Be Separate? , Reply To Judge Richard A. Posner on The Inseparability of Law and Morality , The Faith of the Founding
  2. AMENDMENT ONE Americans disapprove of federal court orderto remove 10 Commandments (77%!!)
  3. Federalism
  4. Ten Commandments Defense Act of 2003 , Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Religious Liberties Restoration Act , Pledge Protection Act of 2003
  5. Congress, the Court, and the Constitution , Impeaching Federal Judges: A Covenantal and Constitutional Response to Judicial Tyranny ,It's Time to Hold Federal Judges Accountable ,Congress Must Curb the Imperial Judiciary ,WallBuilders | Resources | Impeachment of Federal Judges
  6. AMENDMENTS 1,9,10 - Roy Moore: In God I Trust

15 posted on 08/30/2003 3:41:27 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: only1percent
If judges on the federal Courts of Appeals don't rule in accordance with applicable Supreme Court precedents, than we don't have a judicial system at all.

Of course we do. Whatever gives you the idea that just because a ruling of the High Court is put on hold we don't have a judicial system? Our courts would still function, and the world would still turn.

Now let me ask you a question. What happens if the High Court issues an illegal ruling? Is it suppose to be obeyed without question?
16 posted on 08/30/2003 3:46:25 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation Without Representation Is Tyranny)
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To: only1percent

If judges on the federal Courts of Appeals don't rule in accordance with applicable Supreme Court precedents, than we don't have a judicial system at all.

LOL - Tell that to the NINTH CIRCUIT. Conservatives would be better off with 27 monkeys multivoting via coin toss.

17 posted on 08/30/2003 3:46:55 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: sinkspur
If you don't think Moore created this situation to further his career, you're naive in the extreme

Who created the Constitutional situation in Alabama and for what purpose is immaterial at this point.

A question of Constitutional law has been raised, and now we the people get to see how those in the legal arena react to that question.

Will they fall in lockstep behind questionable High Court doctrine, or will they pause and think that maybe - just maybe - something's not right. Pryor never paused.
18 posted on 08/30/2003 3:58:58 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation Without Representation Is Tyranny)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
LOL - Tell that to the NINTH CIRCUIT. Conservatives would be better off with 27 monkeys multivoting via coin toss.

LOL -- How true, how true :)
19 posted on 08/30/2003 4:01:02 PM PDT by Noachian (Legislation Without Representation Is Tyranny)
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To: Noachian
Will they fall in lockstep behind questionable High Court doctrine, or will they pause and think that maybe - just maybe - something's not right. Pryor never paused.

Right now, it's your ox that's being gored.

When the other guy's ox is being gored, and the High Court agrees with you, will you be as understanding, or will be all for throwing his ass in jail?

20 posted on 08/30/2003 4:04:27 PM PDT by sinkspur (How about rescuing a Bichon Frise? He'll love you forever!!!!)
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