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To: quietolong
A high number of Soviet “ combat deaths ” were really. Political executions. Stalin was very shrewd. Why just waste bullets & lives. Why not make them useful to the State! People that the state wanted to get rid of. Were formed into Penal outfits. Backed up by a Guard unit. Now the Guard unit was not there to help the Penal unit. Or fire into the German line. There were to shoot an the backs of the Penal men. To make them charge forward.

A recent documentary on History channel on the battle of Stalingrad described the penal units.

They were formed from prisoners, in the case of the guy interviewed, he was in jail for protesting the removal of a teacher who criticized stalin. sent to the gulag. then to a 'penal unit'. The Russians used the units a "reconnaissance by attack" - they'd send the unit in, and depending on how and where the unit got shot at, the Russian general knew what they were facing. Literal cannon fodder.

The penal unit 'soldier' interviewed said you were just numb to your destiny, death was inveitable. The death rates were over 90%, this particular man somehow was a survivor.

It is stuff like this that explains how Stalin managed to lose 20 million men fighting a German army a fraction of that size. One can say the deaths are due to Hitler because Hitler attacked Russia, but in reality it was due to Stalin - rather than kill folks in the gulag, he let the German bullets do the dirty work for him.

Just another reason Stalin edges out Hitler as the world's worst Murderous-Evil-Dictator.

292 posted on 08/31/2003 10:28:13 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
I don’t have cable so I didn’t get to see it. Sounds like it was an interesting show. Did they also get into the flying convicts? If they would fly ( i think it was) 20 missions as a tail gunner they would get a pardon. Those lucky enough to make it 19 were never allowed # 20 ( all that stress from the last 19 ya know) And were sent back to the regular penal unit, Nice.
I first read about this back around 1984 from the book “Inside the Soviet Army” written by a former Soviet Officer who defected to the US
314 posted on 08/31/2003 6:33:39 PM PDT by quietolong
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