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To: Huck
The definition of ad hominem you posted begins with "instead of attacking an assertion." See, that's where you are getting it wrong.

In light of the complete absence of any substantive commentary on DiLorenzo's article in your post, exactly what, other than an assault upon his person in their place, is one to construe of your attacks of DiLorenzo? Your actions were ad hominem by definition and no ammount of ex post facto equivocation will ever change that.

I thought I had made it clear that I don't believe his, ahem, "assertions" merit a rebuttal.

And that is precisely the problem with your argument. You originally premised your conclusion that they do not merit a rebuttal upon your attacks against DiLorenzo's person. Now, in turn, you are premising your attacks upon DiLorenzo's person on the conclusion that his arguments do not merit rebuttal. In short, your argument is wholly circular and contained within that circle is a definite string of ad hominems.

57 posted on 08/30/2003 9:51:05 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
You originally premised your conclusion that they do not merit a rebuttal upon your attacks against DiLorenzo's person.

Wrong again. Man, you have a real knack for being totally mistaken. I didn't premise my conclusion on anything. I just laid it down. My comments--they were not "attacks--on DiLorenzo's Lincoln fetish were (in your own words)gratuitious. And if you wanted to reach for a "premise" for not rebutting DiLorenzo, it would have to be the "dupe" comment, which was not a comment on DiLorenzo, but on his adoring fans.

You are a perfect example of that. All I have done is post ridiculously argumentative posts worded in such a way as to get a rise out of you, and you are so intent on being right, on proving your point, that you are blind to the silliness of it. You say it should be disregarded, but you can't bring yourself to disregard it.

I didn't call DiLorenzo an ass. I didn't call him a racist. I didn't call him a pseudo historian, a hack, an amateur, a lightweight, a liar. I didn't call him any of those things. I didn't say he still lives at home with his mother. I didn't say he is to the left of Ralph Nader. I said he's got a Lincoln fetish.

Here's a list of his articles on LewRockwell.com:

Dishonest Abe
The Lincolnians were inside traders.

1-0 me.

Statism, Imperialism, Hubris
Thomas DiLorenzo on Irving "the Godfather" Kristol's neocon manifesto.

You would think not, but by the middle of the article, "Like the neocon Lincoln idolaters..." etc etc.

That's 2-0 me.

The GOP-Liberian Connection
Lincoln started it, with the plan to deport American blacks to Africa.

3-0 me.

Supreme Dictators
Thanks, as a happy Woodrow Wilson explained, to Lincoln.

4-0.

The Political Economy of World Domination
Thomas DiLorenzo on the neocons and their strange, Eastern European philosophy.

I almost thought the shutout was beat, until: "That’s why they go on and on about what it takes to be a "great statesman" and constantly invoke their two most adored heroes, Lincoln ..."

5-0.

Leo Lincoln
No wonder neocons love Abe, says Thomas DiLorenzo.

6-0.

States Rights vs. Tyranny
And tyrannical central banking.

"after Lincoln’s war the Supreme Court "became the sole and final arbiter of constitutional controversies. No longer could a Jefferson arise"

7-0

Six Myths About Lincoln
Thomas DiLorenzo explodes them.

8-0

The 'Buy America' Myth
The South, unlike Lincoln and the Buchananites, was right on tariffs, says Thomas DiLorenzo.

9-0

Northern States Rights
Thomas DiLorenzo on Straussian lies about America.

10-0

Lincoln's Spectacular Lie
That the central government created the states.

11-0

Protectionism Means Hostilities
As in 1861.

12-0

What Lincoln's Army Did to the Indians
No wonder the neocons love General Sherman.

13-0

The Lincolnian Graveyard
Neocons are whistling past it, says Thomas J. DiLorenzo.

14-0

Lincolnites Love Bush
Uh oh.

15-0

Lincoln: Slavery A-OK
Thomas DiLorenzo on the Great Emancipator's real 13th amendment.

16-0

Anti-Lincoln Gangs of New York
Some effects of Lincoln's military slavery.

17-0

I am going to stop there. But there are at least another DOZEN articles listed that have Lincoln in the title. We can safely assume that he worked old Abe into the others as well.

The first 17 all dealt directly or indirectly with Lincoln. OK? So, once again, you are totally wrong. Surprise surprise. So, is saying Lorenzo is obsessed with Lincoln ad hominem? Hardly. More like an understatement. You through yet, or you want some more?

60 posted on 08/31/2003 7:09:22 AM PDT by Huck
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