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You certainly implied it by ascribing the characteristic of being "un-american" to persons who you also identified as followers of Jefferson et al.

Wrong again. I implied nothing. I very clearly stated that neo-reb types and anarcho-lib types share common hatreds and common heroes. Among those common heroes are Jefferson, Calhoun, and Henry. That those three are heroes of neo-rebs and anarcho-libs is undeniable. It's an observable fact.

I never said neo rebs and anarcho libs were unamerican. Most of them, so far as I know, are American. They just hate our nation and our laws. They, like some of their heroes, aren't happy with the way things turned out. They, like some of their heroes, advocate violent overthrow.

It's a historical fact that Henry railed against the Constitution. He hated it and said so. Jefferson had nothing to do with the Constitution, spending that whole period in France. He kept in touch with Madison, but that was the extent of it. Jefferson is of course also known for his flippant pen. He was as reckless with his words as he was with his money. It is his words, rather than his deeds, that neorebs and libs love. Calhoun championed a theory--nullification--that has been totally discredited, and one that Madison himself denounced.

So it's no surprise at all that neo-rebs and anarcholibs admire the trio. That doesn't make them unamerican. They were all Americans. It just means they are far from being supporters of our system of government, our laws, and our nation. I will say this of Jefferson. He was a successful President, even if his greatest act--the Louisiana Purchase--was unconstitutional. And he knew it was. He said so. Oh well, I guess Constitutional fidelity comes down to a matter of taste with some folks, eh?

Hope this helps clear up your continued and multifaceted confusion.

Wrong again. I implied nothing.

Your words are there for all to see, and unlike you, I portray them accurately.

"These hard core libs overlap with revisionist neorebs--they share common hatreds (The USA, The Constitution, the rule of law) and common heroes (Jefferson, Calhoun, Henry)."

Now, as you would probably discover by asking anyone on this forum, hating the USA and Constitution is an incompatible position with adopting Jefferson as a hero. Jefferson is among the foremost of the defining participants and founders of exactly what America is, therefore to support Jefferson is to support the true nature of America. Only by denying Jefferson's role in America could you reach the conclusion that a true Jeffersonian is an America-hater. Thus your statement was either an apalling logical inconsistency or a blatant attempt to implicate Jefferson, along with Henry and Calhoun, into the realm of un-american activities.

I never said neo rebs and anarcho libs were unamerican.

Here is what you said: "These hard core libs overlap with revisionist neorebs--they share common hatreds (The USA, The Constitution, the rule of law)"

To hate the USA is by definition an un-american activity. Therefore you did indeed hold that these persons are un-american.

It's a historical fact that Henry railed against the Constitution. He hated it and said so.

Sure he did, but he didn't hate America.

Jefferson had nothing to do with the Constitution

That is a falsehood propagated by persons who are ignorant of history. While Jefferson was not at the convention itself, his ideas and advice literally shaped the documents formation and guided one of its most important contributers, Madison. Jefferson was also essential to the document's ratification in Virginia by signalling that he would not oppose it. Had he done otherwise it is likely that, combined with the efforts of Henry and Mason, ratification would have failed.

He kept in touch with Madison, but that was the extent of it.

He practically advised the formation of Madison's contribution to it and later facilitated the ratification in Virginia. Jefferson is of course also known for his flippant pen.

Whatever his faults may have been, he was none the less brilliant and much of what he wrote contained great truths.

Calhoun championed a theory--nullification--that has been totally discredited, and one that Madison himself denounced.

Actually, the nullification concept traces its roots back to many influential founding fathers from the anti-federalist faction. It is predicated upon the states rights concepts of Luther Martin, Richard Henry Lee and their followers. While it is not used or accepted today, to suggest that it is discredited as a concept is no more valid that saying arguments for the unconstitutionality of welfare are simultaneously discredited due to their present non-adoption. Ideas derive their merit intrinsically, not from how often they are employed or what "authority" says they should be used.