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To: ChemistCat; saradippity; drstevej
see your Catholic priests--anybody who must meet incredibly convoluted requirements to enter a profession, then, once there, need meet virtually no standard of conduct or competence at all to remain within it.

It is apparent that you have a problem with Catholics, which has driven you to make unjustified and uncharitable (not to mention ignorant) attacks on this school--and then you expand it to "Catholic priests" who (in your alleged mind) meet no criteria for remaining priests in good standing.

But still--which LDS school has volunteered to accept this child?

It's also amusing to see you decry "bureaucracy" while being a member of the LDS. Aren't there a few layers emanating from Utah? Or is LDS all 'ad-hoc' administration?

139 posted on 08/31/2003 10:24:49 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: ninenot; Conservative til I die
Bureaucracy is the bane of **all** organizations, for it blunts the good impulse with procedure, butt-covering, and overconcern for ladder-climbing, and makes it easy for the dishonest to cover their tracks by networking within the system. I never said that wasn't true of my church. I do have to add, however, that my church has learned the lesson yours is still struggling to learn--coverups ALWAYS backfire. We remove and excommunicate those who abuse children--or we do, when the organization does not fail, as organizations will tend to do. A broad, worldwide scandal such as your church has suffered is not going to happen to us because we have no paid clergy.

I stand behind my theory of organization, and the negative effects of high barriers and low standards. This is a theory of Thomas Sowell's and it explains much of what goes wrong with organizations everywhere, whether they are teacher's unions, political parties, or churches. Think it's Catholic-bashing? Too bad. I never said it applies only to you or that it means all CAtholics are corrupt. It does mean that the organization tends to protect its own. Prove otherwise, if you can. Please show me a case in which your system worked properly from the get-go.

I have absolutely never said that most priests are abusers and that is a straw man you folks have constructed of my argument. What I do say is that you do not have any methods in place to eliminate those who abuse the privileges they have earned. Your system protects them and allows them to continue their abuses for decades. I'm sorry to say this but this is proven by events.

My church does not have an organized system of private schools, and so the issue of admitting this child to our private school does not exist. It would be a nice solution, and many of us long for it, but again, we tend to insularity anyway and it would probably be unhealthy for our faith, or we would have them.

We do not refuse anyone admission to our worship services. We have high standards for admission to our temples, but *anyone* may meet those standards as they are standards of conduct, not standards of education or licensing of any sort.

146 posted on 08/31/2003 11:26:10 AM PDT by ChemistCat (Focused, Relentless Charity Beats Random Acts of Kindness.)
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