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'Exit protocol' for brain-disabled woman? (Breaking - Schiavo)
WorldNetDaily ^ | Aug. 29, 2003 | Sarah Foster

Posted on 08/29/2003 10:41:03 PM PDT by kimmie7

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To: lakey
"One last comment, have we examined Felos' record?"

LOL. I was looking around this morning and a Google search for 'Felos + reprimand' resulted in one item found:

Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a ... http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/971896/posts

Of course this is our other active thread on the Terri case.
Will continue to search.
261 posted on 09/01/2003 6:26:17 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime
at ours being the only one. I'm sure it's not, really.
262 posted on 09/01/2003 8:15:15 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: kimmie7
??
If you're referring to being the only item found, it is. BUT..... it is using ONLY the 'Felos + reprimand' Google search words.

I'm going to search further. If I understood your post correctly, I agree there must be lots of information out there. It's just a matter of finding the right keywords and I'm going to experiment with that.

Just thought it was funny that our thread came up....bad press and all.:)

263 posted on 09/01/2003 8:33:53 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime
I posted to US-FBI on Yahoo groups. Yahoo groups are a good means of transmission as well. I'm sending to my personal list of contacts, etc. and am exploring more thoroughly Yahoo groups. What am I transmitting? The Amended Complaint, Federal Court Order, etc. This is enough info. to get peoples attention to the matter and I am recommending that individuals contact other individuals, media outlets and officials high and low.

Regards.
264 posted on 09/01/2003 8:38:37 AM PDT by pc93 (Attempted murder of Terri Schindler by Michael Schiavo sanctioned by Jeb Bush & FL Supreme Court)
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To: windchime
I know. I was just agreeing with you. I did the same thing yesterday -- I suppose I'm just a bit dismayed at that result.
265 posted on 09/01/2003 8:48:43 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: pc93
Great!
266 posted on 09/01/2003 9:08:20 AM PDT by windchime
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To: kimmie7
"I suppose I'm just a bit dismayed at that result."

Understand! Guaranteed there's stuff out there....just a bit elusive.
267 posted on 09/01/2003 9:11:54 AM PDT by windchime
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To: kimmie7; pc93; lakey; floriduh voter; windchime; Robert Drobot; MHGinTN; ...
kimmie7, would you please add 'Lovergirl' to your ping list. Thank you!
George Felos, Litigation as a Spiritual Practice

The man's been all over the TV pushing "right-to-kill" as compassion. He obviously has friends in high places and an agenda shared by MANY others. If you have strong stomachs, and a stronger team of faith partners, you might want to check out some of the other "New Age" major medical clinics / foundations. Doctors playing 'god' all over the place today.

 
~~~ "Attorney George J. Felos is a nationally recognized expert in right-to-die cases. He is best known for the landmark Florida case that established an individual’s constitutional right to refuse or have withdrawn unwanted medical treatment. Currently, he is lead attorney in the Terri Schiavo case—a multi-year struggle to end the artificial feeding of a vegetative young woman—which was featured on NBC’s Dateline program.

He has appeared on numerous television and radio programs including NBC's
Today Show, CBS’s Early Show, CNN’s Connie Chung Tonight, Daybreak, Greenfield at Large and Burden of Proof, Court TV’s Pros and Cons, Inside Edition, The Kathy Fountain Show, and NPR’s All Things Considered
. He presents seminars and debates end-of-life issues for various professional, educational, civic and religious groups, and leads meditation and personal growth workshops.

George created and teaches “Meditation for Lawyers,” the first-of-its-kind instructional course accredited for continuing legal education in Florida." Link

Sorry, but no one - lawyer, minister, celebrity, human being - could do this to Terri and claim to be acting in a 'compassionate' or 'Godly' manner!

268 posted on 09/01/2003 9:22:07 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (“A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity."- Winston Churchill {and aids evildoers- RC})
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"Sorry, but no one - lawyer, minister, celebrity, human being - could do this to Terri and claim to be acting in a 'compassionate' or 'Godly' manner!"


Amen, RC!
269 posted on 09/01/2003 9:27:01 AM PDT by windchime
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To: lakey
You offered, "There are laws against cohabitation in Florida. Does Judge Greer know that?" It is sad to say, but the Lawrence v Texas case recently decided by SCOTUS nullifies such laws (on sexual activity grounds) where consenting adults are engaged in private sexual activity, the reality of matrimony or not. It is, however, possible that a case might be brought for bigamy, if Michael has been domiciling with this other woman for long enough and has presented them as a couple.
270 posted on 09/01/2003 9:36:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I'm no biblical scholar but I recall "beware of false prophets." This kook Felos falls into that category.
271 posted on 09/01/2003 9:38:06 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: kimmie7; dixiegrrl
Please see #270 ... Lawrence v Texas nullified such laws with a sweep of typical SCOTUS fiat.
272 posted on 09/01/2003 9:40:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: kimmie7
Hi neighbor. This is the first time I have paid any attention to this case. Boy, does it sound fishy. Were I this woman's parents and she dies, I would file suit against her husband in civil court for murder. It sure does sound as if he tried to do her in and failed and is succeeding with the help of the "death" pushers in court.
273 posted on 09/01/2003 10:01:10 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan; kimmie7; lakey; dixiegrrl; tessalu; Theodore R.; pc93
I just received confirmation that material from the following suit is okay for public release … I’ll include some startling revelations regarding Felos the delusional.

CASE NO: 8:03-cv-1860-T-26TGW

ROBERT SCHINDLER and
MARY SCHINDLER, as parents and
next friends of Theresa Marie Schindler
Schiavo, an incapacitated ward,

Plaintiffs,

v.

MICHAEL SCHIAVO, individually
and in his capacity as Guardian of the person
of THERESA MARIE SCHINDLER
SCHIAVO, an incapacitated ward; THE
HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST,
INC., AND MORTON PLANT HOSPITAL
ASSOCIATION, INC.,

Defendants.

From the affidavits filed:

29. Non-party co-conspirator Felos styles himself a pioneer in the "Death With Dignity" legal movement and is the author of Litigation as Spiritual Practice, published by the Blue Dolphin Publishing Co., Inc., of Nevada City, California, in 2002. This book promotes the defendant lawyer's trailblazing efforts in the pro-euthanasia field in America. He is at this time promoting his next book, which is to be about the related case in the Florida District Court of Appeal and Florida Sixth Judicial Circuit Court and which related case Mr. Felos evidently expects to end in the death of Theresa Marie Schiavo in the very near future.

30. Mr. Felos' book, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, contains numerous bizarre anecdotes about his ardent desire to end the administration of food and water to severely disabled or gravely sick patients.

31. On page 63, referring to his landmark Florida state court case, Estate of Browning, Felos writes: "Such a deep, dark, silent blue. I stared as far into her eyes as I could, hoping to sense some glimmer of understanding, some hint of awareness. The deeper I dove, the darker became the blue, until the blue became the black of some bottomless lake. 'Mrs. Browning, do you want to die?...Do you want to die?' - I near shouted as I continued to peer into her pools of strikingly beautiful but incognizant blue. It felt so eerie."

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32. On page 73, Attorney Felos writes: "As I continued to stay beside Mrs. Browning at her nursing home bed, I felt my mind relax and my weight sink into the ground. I began to feel light-headed as I became more reposed. Although feeling like I could drift into sleep, I also experienced a sense of heightened awareness. As Mrs. Browning lay motionless before my gaze, I suddenly heard a loud, deep moan and scream and wondered if the nursing home personnel heard it....In the next moment, as this cry of pain and torment continued, I realized it was Mrs. Browning. I felt the mid-section of my body open and noticed a strange quality to the light in the room. I sensed her soul in agony. As she screamed I heard her say, in confusion, 'Why am I still here... why am I here?' My soul touched hers and in some way I communicated that she was still locked to her body. I promised I would do everything in my power to gain the release her soul cried for. with that the screaming immediately stopped. I felt like I was back in my head again."

33. On page 75, Felos says: "Before our son was conceived, my then wife and I went through a long and arduous process trying to decide if we should have a child. Given that our marriage was never very stable, the familiar arguments against creating progeny seemed at times hard to overcome....One morning, while still generally engaged in that process, I walked into my office, and about half way to my desk was hammer- struck. While almost seeing stars like a comic book character, I heard the soul of my yet- to-be-conceived child emphatically shout: I'm ready to be born... will you stop this fooling around!'...The voice I heard was distinctly male, and I beamed with the idea I had a son - or was going to have a son - or sorta had a son out there - or something like that."

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34. On page 216, again discussing Estate of Browning, Mr. Felos writes about the late Estelle M. Browning: "As I always did, I looked into her eyes and shouted to her, hoping for some response or sign. After a minute or two I sat in the chair by the foot of her bed, closed my eyes, and started to meditate. Having 'soulspoken' with Mrs. Browning when we first met, I decided, with a measure of earnest self-inflation, to purposefully initiate such contact. I settled into my breath and noticed all the passing sounds move through my consciousness. As I deepened my relaxation, I reached out with my awareness to see if I could touch her soul-presence. From deep inside I repeated, 'Mrs. Browning, it's okay to leave your body. There is no reason to stay in this body. It is all right to die now.' A few minutes into my meditative encouragement, I was jarred by a high-pitched sarcastic cackle and the words, 'You're telling me to drop my body - and you can't even get out of your head.' Apparently, Mrs. Browning had a spirited sense of humor!"

35. On pages 181-182 of his book, Felos claims that merely by visualizing a plane crash during a flight he was taking back to Florida, he caused the plane to begin to crash and that God spoke to him at that moment to warn him: "Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize'.....I was startled, humbled, and blessed by God's admonishment."

36. Co-conspirator Felos clearly is not simply an advocate for Michael Schiavo in the Florida state courts; he is an investor in Mrs. Schiavo's case who stands to profit financially via her judicially-sanctioned death and the book he told the St. Petersburg Times he wants to write about the case and his "spiritual journey" with Theresa Schiavo. As his first work, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, indicates, Mr. Felos is an egomaniacal

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visionary who views Terri's hoped-for death as a fulfillment of his personal messianic mission as the savior of severely disabled and seriously ill people who need to die. He is a protagonist in a drama in which he sees himself as a lead character.

Regarding Michael’s 180 flip to seek Terri’s starvation execution, the following is offered in the same documentations of the above case:

37. In connection with the proceeding, Schiavo announced his recollection that sometime in the mid-1980s, Terri informally remarked, with reference to her grandmother's ultimately terminal illness, that in the event of her own serious illness, she did not want to be maintained "on anything artificial". Defendant Schiavo alleged a recollection of other generalized remarks to that effect.

38. Defendant Schiavo's position that his wife would not want to live by means of food and hydration administered through a G tube was completely contrary to his testimony before the medical malpractice case jury.

39. At the time of Terri's alleged remarks in the mid-1980s, Florida law did not include food and hydration among the forms of medical care that could be terminated based on the alleged prior directives of a patient, and deprivation of food and hydration would have constituted the crime of euthanasia under Florida law at the time Terri allegedly made her comment to defendant Schiavo about "anything" (or "nothing") artificial". It was not until October 1, 1999 that the law was amended to include food and hydration given via a G tube.

40. Terri's alleged remarks about "anything artificial" said nothing about the withdrawal of food, hydration, and rehabilitative therapy.

41. Under Felos' guidance, there were about five years of legal proceedings in the Florida state courts, during most of which Terri was not represented by a guardian ad litem.

274 posted on 09/01/2003 10:27:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
George Felos is the media darling of death.
275 posted on 09/01/2003 10:37:33 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: dixiegrrl
I was up almost all night Saturday night. I paid for it yesterday. I said earlier on a post - I'm awful glad that Algor invented the internet. (so we could DO RESEARCH!)
276 posted on 09/01/2003 10:40:24 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: floriduh voter
up 'til 4 Friday, 3 Saturday, and 5 last night. I totally understand.
277 posted on 09/01/2003 10:43:32 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: windchime
WC, did you see the Floridian article that I posted on one of the two main threads? Maybe you could glean from there that before he was an attorney, he had other employment, etc. He was pretty open about hobbies, 2 divorces, his breathing exercises every day. He worked for the State Attorney's Office at one point. I don't know if I pinged it to you or not.

Do you know that he lived on an island and ate fish he caught and drank goat's milk? I think during his time on the island, HE GOT TOO MUCH SUN and it fried his brain.

278 posted on 09/01/2003 10:45:06 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: pc93; windchime; Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for your efforts. George Felos was in practice with his dad (dad died). The law firm was called Felos & Felos in the sleepy town of Dunedin which has a marina, Mease-Morton Plant Hospital and lots of antique malls.

Felos seems to see himself as a guru. I'm forever curious in why Judge Greer is consistently siding with husband and Attorney Felos.

Maybe when Felos was a State Attorney, he found out something about Judge Greer that remains a secret and wouldn't that be powerful leverage?

279 posted on 09/01/2003 10:50:06 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: windchime
We need to do intel on George Greer, the Judge as well by adding his name to Pinellas County. He's been a city official as well. Tried with the Judge and with the City or County Commission Pinellas keywords. I'm content that Felos has something on Greer back when Felos was a State Attorney. Why else would Greer go against God's law and man's law to terminate a chronically disabled woman's life? Maybe he's been coerced.
280 posted on 09/01/2003 10:54:04 AM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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